Who's a realistic option and someone you want as a coach for EDG

Me personally I think TE destroyer would be amazing, his strats training & timeouts have always been top level. And I think his style would mesh very well with their strengths and playstyle (unlike AfteR hhh)

I think you should consider the details, EDG members were getting non stopped harassed by fans (including Smoggy getting doxxed, and death threats to the others etc) because of S1mon's comments on stream hinting towards this/that which painted a wrong picture. To think "what the team has done to him publicily" isn't a fair narrative or judgement because it was in each individual member's best interest to defend themselves and put the truth of the situation to light. Actions have consequences, you can't expect to do something obviously wrong (and it's stated very clearly in contracts to keep things like this private) without expecting any backlash whatsoever

You're probably the most sane person ik on this site

All the members were defending themselves? After S1mon kept hinting towards supposed "mistreatment" and badmouthing the others on stream, fans started harassing all the other members (some going as far to doxxing smoggy). I'm not sure why you've automatically interpreted it as scapegoating, they are addressing what S1mon claimed, to which he had no response to. There was no "blaming him for everything", I think you've misunderstood

My washed KONE veteran

Whoever is talent scout for RA needs a raise

Wdym? The old Trace (TTG) match fixing scandal was concluded like 3 years ago.

holy shit that's fire

in their run up to champs, Jieni was a top 2 player on EDG. He's performed well and very consistently on any role (raze, neon, waylay, breach, kayo, tejo, omen, deadlock). He's arguably more flexible than Smoggy now and has a very good understanding of util and has good impact with it. Also mechanically one of the best on EDG too

jieni looks so promising, they need a coach like TE destroyer

ODG look hella promising with that roster ngl

2-0

Smuggle 💀

Tf do you mean by sus

OD looks so stacked. So much potential

Same

What a weirdo you are

Now get destroyer from trace, and EDG actually will be so back

FINALLY OH MY GOD

Lysoar got potential though he's usually their best performing player but gets nervous internationally, in their last few matches at toronto he was back to his usual self and not inting

He wasn't performing very well for quite a long time in CN tbf, even TMV the biggest fan thinks Juicy has been the worst performing player and after watching their matches I agree

Kind of get it

Most of the time performed really badly in CN for some weird reason

I think it's a confidence thing like he has this in him but he just doesn't play confident and instead really passive

Since when was he this good, this is actually ridiculous

??? He was the last person to want to play yoru, he eventually gave in to learning it when Nobody and Jieni yoru did not work. Blame the coach

Not really it was like over 2 splits, and including EWC too. They kept trying to force the old comps they used to use (breach + kayo), with both jieni (whos util has been extremely good tbh) and zjc (who didnt do great not sure why)

Tbf they tried to avoid yoru for half the year and they were losing really bad, which led them to believe that was the reason and they just needed someone to learn it

I'd like them to go back to kk on raze/neon/jett too but they've prob alr pracced and scrimmed so much with these current comps

Also yes Muggle has had a very bad track record, his timeout winrate I think is the lowest out of all the teams here. Also very bad meta read on Corrode when it first came out too

Ik lmao I agree with you, put him on raze

Tell the coach, KK was the last person who wanted to learn yoru. Only reverted to this after trying nobody and jieni yoru

Yoru is a very different agent, similar to how Aspas isn't great on him either and struggles to learn him.

Something was an incredibly flexible player who played initiators too which has many transferrable skills to yoru

Well yeah what's your point, ofc he looks less comfortable on yoru compared to his neon/jett/raze etc. Imo they can do double duelist but without yoru

They can still give up Yoru, they can do double duelist without Yoru. I get why they're trying it so hard, cause Yoru is very meta, but yea KK just doesnt suit Yoru. He's so much more comfortable on Neon it's insane

Think nobody had a higher stat at one point

Are you seriously suggesting jieni yoru? The reason why kk is playing yoru is cause that didn't work out. You don't know anything

What is this narrative lmao he didn't want to learn yoru, but for the team it's the best in terms of comps. Blame coach Muggle if anything. He's doing it so others don't have to, we saw how Jieni and Nobody yoru went

Guess they can't really figure out how to defend with that comp, it has pretty big weaknesses

Not really, secondary caller

Tbh it doesn't really limit what people play at all, in League for example (where this exact system is in place, and even includes character bans) one-tricking is not just effective, but encouraged & still extremely common. All it does is involve the concept of matchups, you can still play whatever you like but there will be matchups that are harder to play against, this means it's useful to be flexible in SOME cases and you might have an actual desire to play something else. Overwatch is another example, Genji was so counterable for the longest time yet one-tricks that were good enough could still make it work - also emphasises skill expression which is something Valorant is missing.

Also, this wouldn't be emphasised for every character. For example, Sova is an agent that is not overly OP, nor is he purely a ranked agent - he does not need a hard counter because he's fairly standard. My main issues are when in ranked people are only picking Reyna, Chamber, Clove for most games. It just makes the game so stale and repetitive

Also the whole team can still hover their agents, a lot of my ranked games we manage to come to a consensus on who plays what without instalocks. And as for your argument, people are already limited by what they play just cause of the meta - Harbor, Tejo etc. are so bad rn. All I'm suggesting is dependant nerfs, rather than universal nerfs - there will be some agents that are good 'blindpicks', and some that are not

What would be better is to do something similar to league where each person picks after another (order is randomly decided at start)

Each pick is given a specific time to lock it in and after, the picks (from both sides) are shown to all - this opens the window to counterpicks from the next people picking.

Not only does this mean only 20% of the time you get to instalock, but that instalock can actually get countered which incentives NOT to one-trick (but still gives you the freedom to if you really wanted). I think this is better than agent bans which would diminish a lot of the meta comps that we have on different maps

Now the only problem is counterpicks aren't a very real thing in Valorant, which is why if they do make this change they should start to rework some agents or add new ones that actively counter others and that'd actually add a lot of depth to valorant that I think we're missing. It also means we won't just get the classic ranked agents Reyna, Jett, Clove, Chamber every game if they're just going to keep getting countered - maybe an anti-heal, targetted suppress (to prevent tp/dash), etc.

For me there's just not enough skill expression in the game, that's honestly the worst part. There are too many easy characters to pick up, look at other ability focused games and how lots of characters need thousands of hours to truly master.

Almost all the util in the game is extremely simple to deploy, Tejo was a very good example of this, literally just point and click on the map for huge value.

A slightly related problem that stems off this is the pro scene, it's like anyone can be at the top. Whereas in a game like overwatch it'd be easy to pick someone to support in the long term and they'd still be highly valuable like 3 years later. E.g. guxue, because they just aren't replaceable for their level of skill

Whereas in Valorant there's not enough incentive to support an individual player, there's less uniqueness. No wonder people swap the team they support every few seconds just depending on who's winning. (Ik there are unique teams like PRX etc. but I mean generally)

Not really, BLG were playing terrible both macro wise and individually. This is the worst I've ever seen whzy perform, rushia was also not doing anything. They were lacking any firepower that game. BLG also consistently does terribly internationally

That was wayy too long ago, the rosters are so different and this version of BLG has consistently played bad internationally

No translation error, he said "感觉会比较轻松的拿下"

meaning: I feel like it will be relatively easy to get (the win)

That was the old BLG with different roster that was actually fun to watch

BLG doing nothing internationally as usual

I will never understand why people like you OBVIOUSLY don't know enough about a region yet make these huge claims anyway. If you've watched EDG in CN then you will know how good Jieni's support util has been. In terms of ADR he was literally the same as S1mon. Smoggy in the past also used to have the best support util in CN until he moved to smokes.

Other insane support util players are: Coco, Nicc, Shr1mp, Nephh, Biank

Well yeah and he was given the chance to do that then ruined it for himself. He was benched temporarily and told if he practices as much as the rest that he may return, but instead crashed out on stream and badmouthed the others. Also didn't turn up to actual events (there are actual records of this)

Spiritz would be insane, he can perma yoru and kk can play stuff he's more comfortable with

Let's not underrate Jieni though, he's been good. S1mon was an academy player too

So you don't watch CN, I thought so

I'm not even gonna bother talking to a dude who unironically just said 'brang', are you under 13 or is this the american education system at work

As an EDG fan do you not think I want the best for them? I've been watching them for 3+ years now. I'm not sure why there is this implication to 'admit' anything as if I have a personal problem with S1mon. I can tell you exactly why EDG did so well at champs - I doubt you know about the playstyle identity issues they had throughout 2022-2023 and what their biggest strengths are.

Also, don't you think you're forgetting that EDG did well BEFORE S1mon too? Have you forgotten their performance at Tokyo? Champs?