Wait this is huge for NOVA, monk is a big upgrade for init

Lets goo EDG Hfmi

They started to fall apart before losing s1mon, tons of internal conflict. You can read all about it. They just need any good init player and they'll be back, nobody IGL and different coach were the biggest changes for them

W Wolves

why not

that was not the biggest reason it's a common misconception but s1mon was definetely a big factor. Nobody IGL and coach change is what changed EDG

Huh what issues

They just need any good initiator and they'll be back in form

he does actual choreographies bruh

Also I just noticed you said

but it's quite obvious the gap in talent between the top Chinese players and the rest of the players in the region is massive.

You are basing this off of what? How does this have any correlation to what you were saying just before this, and who do you even consider as the top chinese players and who is "the rest"? CN is a region with tons of out-of-nowhere, up-and-coming rookies, who many times over just the course of a few months have got to the "top". Trust me CN is not lacking talent for sure, I highly doubt you watch CN enough to say this, can you tell me who are the up-and-coming rookies rn in the region?

How does that change the fact that the team just sucks ... they don't have one player and the team implodes? That was the main point of my post

Now you're just trying to save face. Are you sure you're not trying to change your main point now? You seem to have forgotten that the post is literally titled "XLG is shit regardless of YOU being there or not" and you did not show any disagreement to that. Instead, you say:

A spade is a spade. A team that loses one player and implodes, isn't a good team

Clearly you're aligning with the OP, and I think for anyone reading your comment (even in isolation) they'd interpret it that way - that the team isn't good in general BECAUSE it only took losing one player to implode. Especially because of the way you phrase it, and when the rest - more than half of your original comment - is a counterargument to the people who are at XLG's defence, such that XLG is still to blame and the fact they picked the sub disregards any other idea that they weren't at fault.

Also your original analogy doesn't even work - your statement after "A spade is a spade" is supposed to be far less ambiguous and isn't even a valid comparison to the obvious, as we've distinguished that there are many circumstances where it may not be true - such as this one for XLG, the language barrier being the biggest issue, but also for any team it highly depends on who you lose and when exactly, etc.

And here's your supposed main point now

Without YOU, they suck

Clearly it's changed. This point is such an obvious that has so little substance to it that there's no point in saying it.

and you slipped right by it (the main point) without even adressing ... they still fucking suck right now

Well if it's that they suck right now then why do I even have to address that? Clearly XLG sucked, I watched them too, and I think anyone can tell even just from the scoreline and stats. The emphasis isn't here, it's elsewhere.

Have you considered that sometimes people are placed in situations such that they are almost out of options? You have no idea what you are talking about, the reason they picked Midi is exactly because they couldn't find someone better. They lost YOU due to unexpected circumstances so close to Toronto that they either had to sign someone already with a Canadian VISA, or find a F/A within a few days. For that reason they picked up Midi who was just released from Trace, they also don't have the money like EDG does to make huge buyouts. Like how are you so confident despite not even knowing the details. And you realise who specifically they lose is quite important right? YOU was like a second caller and responsible for setting Rarga up, Midi played everything YOU did and fit into the role where others did not. Sure losing a sentinel, duelist, or recon init won't implode the team but your flash ini and their chemistry with the duelist is not easily replacable with such limited time.

It can't be this hard for you to think a little. XLG lost YOU like 2 weeks before Toronto, they needed to find an emergency replacement within just a few days considering visas. While most other players were in contracts already - Midi was just released from Trace, he can play everything YOU did and fits the role so they don't have to make major comp changes especially as the team is very strat heavy

Wolves 2-0 Gen.G

WE'VE CONQUERED ALL OF CHINA 🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳 WE'RE NEVER GONNA STOP 🛑🛑🛑 FROM TORONTO 🇨🇦 TO PARIS 🇫🇷 WE'LL WIN THE FUCKING LOT 🏆🏆🏆
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AND WHEN WE WIN IN PARIS 🇫🇷🇫🇷🇫🇷 WE'LL SAY IT WAS FORETOLD 🗣️🗣️🗣️THE BEST TEAM IN THE WORLD 🌍🌎🌏 THE BOYS IN BLACK AND GOLD 🐺🐺🐺
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Oh I read it wrong way round mb

BLG is way too low

XLGlue

He was insane in China too, just wait till he breaks the curse then it's over for all of us

SEN looked pretty bad against WOL
Genuinely think BLG can 2-1 this

Rushia is crazy

It's combination of

• a lot of players have already signed contracts with other teams
• EDG had to make their roster change midway through a season rather than between
• CN orgs seem to have a preference for signing in-house (after academy etc.)

the only reason they benched S1mon was because there were alr issues with him

During kickoff they still achieved a good place but there were many signs that hinted towards some deeper issues, one of them being chemistry. A big difference in bangkok that I noticed is s1mon was a lot less proactive with util, and also revealed recently (I'm assuming you've seen the whole EDG internal drama thing with S1mon) is that he had many issues in terms of mental and he would openly vent it during or in between matches, which will obviously negatively affect the other teammates. KK in contrast is their hypeman, in their comm videos he is literally only positive and cheering on his teammates. And these issues were revealed to have started before split 1

As a long time EDG watcher I can tell you those 2 matches were an extremely different EDG, honestly you can probably tell if you watch yourself. EDG barely throws in China, and when they do it's purely due to being careless or undisciplined - in those 2 matches it was not that, they were genuinely struggling (to teams they never have before), and in some ways outmatched - the team coordination was so off. Now we have been given explanations for why. I'd argue if they continued with S1mon in that state, they would not have made it to an international, especially with all the internal conflicts. Like there's a reason EDG made that change, it's extremely likely thing weren't working out in scrims as well.

"If there are no issues, then why would there be changes?" - CHICHOO

"After returning from the Masters, we all felt regretful. Yet the strategies from training and matches just wouldn't stick - constantly having to ask "Where should I position? How to execute?" during games. No initiative in post-match reviews, no tactical input, even utility usage had to be arranged by coaches and teammates. While the performance at champs was unquestionable, have you considered how much others sacrificed? This two-year journey we've built together, two years of accumulated synergy exploding into peak form - it was a collective effort. But not only did we have to coddle you through champs, it continued through Kickoff and Bangkok too. After every loss or poor stat line, you'd threaten "I don't want to play anymore, just sub me out" - those were your exact words." - Nobody

It's also worth mentioning the misconception that S1mon was the only reason they won champs, he was a big factor for sure - but the bigger change for EDG was their change to Nobody IGLing - I'll reply in more detail if you're interested in that (how AfteR wanted them to play like fnatic, how that didn't work out in actual international matches, how they went back to their old style after removing him and assigning Nobody as IGL, etc.). Also there's more quotes from the rest of the EDG players if you're interested

because of 2 main reasons

1. Suddenly making a roster change halfway throughout a split is bound to cause temporary issues whether that be communication or general chemistry - it was literally the exact same when they first brought in s1mon, they did worse than before (and there was a lot of criticism and pushback against him too) and then they gradually got better

2. Other teams from China are becoming seriously good? Yes maybe they are not boaster-tier calling wise but to deem XLG's playbook as rarga go kill is ridiculous when the team does not centre whatsoever on him carrying, they have actually good strategical playstyle and are backed by a good coach from EMEA

It really does look like your cherry picking evidence and ignoring the other half of it. Another thing is that Haodong was arguably just as good in terms of mechanics in 2022 and even was their neon player, it was only a period of about a split where he looked significantly worse than his usual performance

they kept him as AC because of his contract lmao haodong didn't actually do that much from a coaching perspective it was literally just a temporary compromise for removing him from the team do you actually know that much ab edg for a supposed number 1 fan?

even when s1mon was still in the team they were not doing great during the split, it makes a lot of sense for a team to do worse when making a sudden switch mid way through. Correlation isn't equal to causation

BLG is better than people think I'll say that

what team.. can tyloo lock in already

EDG SLOWLY
PLEASE

BLG will surprise the world 2-0

I think he's better fragging wise, he has more stable consistent aim and rarely whiffs. As for util not as good as S1mon yet but he's learning initiator since he used to be a duelist player so it should get even better

I would love to see EDG coco though

I'm convinced most people here don't actually watch the matches cause jieni did quite well

I never understood this though I have never thought watching g2 was boring, there are plenty of teams who used to play like they do except they just weren't as good

that's just cause Tejo's broken

not even games, maps

and people say sen fans aren't the worst

this is actual nolife behaviour

wait people don't know about trent's sova? he was literally one of the best at one point

And yes there were probably some issues with the rest of the team/management too, maybe miscommunication etc but I've still not seen any evidence or incentive to believe that that was even half of the issue, but if you have any then I'm happy to see - anyone else who has worked with edg or knows them has never had any problems before. It's as CHICHOO says "If there were truly no issues, why would there be changes?"

To be clear, S1mon is not a bad person - this is common, and I am not hating. It's very understandable why he reacted this way, but that doesnt make it ok. My focus is defending EDG's decision, it's not to send any hate towards S1mon - I wish him all the best

With that said though, there's also plenty of people at his age who would not react this way, professionalism is made very clear from the start of signing any contract with a team. Age is not an excuse, and no I would not do the same and I'm his age - his attitude and way of dealing with it is undoubtedly immature, unfortunately there are many unfair things that happen in life - but it's about focusing on what you can actually control - if he was "wrongly" benched then so be it, it's EDG's loss - he can either use his reputation (of which he has now ruined) to find another great team, or if it was more serious he can take the time to write a proper statement/complaint regarding his experience with EDG. He did neither, instead going on stream, droppings hints here and there and just letting his fans speculate and develop extremely harmful views on the rest of the players. It's only when one of his fans doxxed Smoggy that it reached a breaking point, such that EDG had to make their own response to stop unwarranted hate. They all remained quiet until then, it's not like they wanted to shit talk S1mon, and in their responses that's still not the intention, they had to defend themselves.

No, I looked into it and genuinely want to know the truth - perhaps I'm still missing some info but I have heard both sides. If you can show that I'm wrong then I do genuinely want to hear.

What you said is true (the bangkok comms) but thats not even what nobody was referring to - the statements from the rest of the 4 EDG players addressed issues mainly during practice, not the actual games (apart from kk talking ab after the g2 loss). I think it's far more unlikely that all these 4 EDG players are just making up lies to make S1mon look bad, especially when they're directly quoting him. Stuff like

"After every loss or a bad stat line, you'd say "I don't wanna play anymore, just sub me out" And the other pros or staff that has worked with them before also never having problems with edg before.

What about how the others said they told S1mon consistent effort would keep him starting, but he would skip reviews and not communicate with the coaches - is that also a lie?

It's insane how good Rushia has become

Truee slowly is cracked

It was a mixture, there's lots of info on chinese social media. One of the main issues (a reoccuring problem through many games) was S1mon's mental, he was extremely negative and had a bad morale and attitude which affected the rest of the team when anything goes wrong. E.g. he would openly complain about not being able to shoot and there are many times where he would comm less despite being an initiator etc and this is only one out of multiple issues

No way you're supporting S1mon after what he did

WW BLG finally did it

Are you fr

Well well well

you are completely misinformed, jieni7 is flexing. He is learning completely new roles for the sake of the team. He is playing the agents SO kk is able to play iso

he'll get better