You can't even read, just like 99.99% of Dogmericans. Did you pay some European to write all that?

Sentinels won against plumbers and cab drivers when the scene was new. That's how NA usually secure the only wins they can in any game known to mankind and conceivable by human imagination. Most EU talents were concentrated in CSGO at the time, except derke who was forced to watch Sentinels become the glorified can crushers. The current state of TenZ and Sentinels and their downfall only attests to the fact that they are unable to handle when the game becomes even slightly more serious. This is obvious to anyone with a brain.

OpTic's win is an obvious asterisk. FPX didn't participate and went onto destroy the tournament after, had they participated they would have destroyed even if OpTic had an unbalanced Chamber abuser who is now struggling to make his living in tier 2. I can't even bother to remember his name, was it nay? Some kind of dicey, little bit better because he earned his name in yet another unbalanced agent known as Jett when the game was new and undeveloped and uncompetitive, I will give him that.

Chronicle's left toe owns all of NA and all the "talents" therein.

You can cry, NA fans. It's OKAY.

"d3ffo is replaced" That is a slightly different Gambit in which case I am inclined to agree that they would be closer to FNC at least.

Now say that without crying.

From what I can gather from this brief exchange (with a wall known as terribletyranny), I watched and understood more than you. But I understand your emotional response, being confronted with reality about your favorite team can be painful. It's OK.

Thanks for conceding anyway. /closed

Your assumptions are also nothing burger, what do you mean nAts being in his prime? Can you prove that his skills deteriorated? Meta evolved and teams adapted to his lurking to some extent, it's crazy to divorce his performance from non-individualistic context.

Game has evolved, they do naturally in any competitive game, and FNC have better firepower.

FNATIC vs GMB also depends on the meta they clash in.

Forget FNC, if GMB were materialized into existence, even LOUD, NRG, EG would defeat if not demolish them. You are neglecting the improvement in the overall scenes in so many fronts.

Leo is 19, not much age difference between those two. Future belongs to them.

Difference is minimal enough to allow for multiple valid interpretations. Leo's history before FNATIC is also more illustrious.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/14f1gnx/leo_is_the_only_player_that_has_been_rated_on_vlr/

They are interchangeable, you really can't honestly and confidently argue for one over the other with definiteness. We need to see more from them.

Thanks, that's also a valid alternative.

s0m being best player on NRG is irrelevant.

Considering the entire year not just regional and the most recent tourney. And the year before can also be helpful.

No, that's just completely false. Leo is doing at the very least as good as Sheydos but in an infinitely more competitive stage of the game. Can you show me Sheydos regional stats and also stats on LAN if they even match up to Leo's even relatively? https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/14f1gnx/leo_is_the_only_player_that_has_been_rated_on_vlr/

Leo MVP of LOCK/IN and easily top 2 in Tokyo.

Your d3ffo bias is even more insane. Game has evolved, players have also gotten better, strats have also developed. The scene was inchoate back then, it's infinitely more competitive now.

Chronicle = Chronicle
Leo >> Sheydos
Alfajer >=< nAts
Boaster > Redgar
Derke > d3ffo

Crashies > Shao is more understandable but rest is LMFAO

Joke of a list without Leo.

Definitely not on the list. But nAts is close.

1. Leo
2. Alfajer
3. Chronicle
4. Mako
5. Shao
6. Less
7. Derke
8. Aspas
9. Sayf
10. kiNgg

Mwzera's stats are incalculable.

Mako has always been the top 3 players, fragging on smokes like a star duelist.

Fuel the agenda!

Vandal Less Shao
Phaotom nAts Mako Leo

Shrouud is basically just an arm. That's his personality altogether.

For real, he deserves so much more love.

TOP 23 players statistically ALL Time (raw data)

something (1060 rounds), 1.24, 4 agents
Leo (4935 rounds), 1.23, 14 agents
Mako (3310 rounds), 1.21, 8 agents
aspas (2885 rounds), 1.19, 4 agents
cNed (5119 rounds), 1.18, 9 agents
yay (5346 Rrounds), 1.17, 7 agents
Shao (5841 rounds), 1.17, 12 agents
f0rsaken (5628 rounds), 1.17, 15 agents
Sacy (3968 rounds), 1.16, 11 agents
Derke (5239 rounds), 1.15, 8 agents
Sayf (4678 rounds), 1.15, 14 agents
trexx (3172 rounds), 1.14, 14 agents
Chronicle (4760 rounds), 1.14, 14 agents
Cloud (4254 rounds), 1.14, 12 agents
nukkye (4891 rounds), 1.14, 15 agents
Buzz (3780 rounds), 1.14, 11 agents
Cryocells (4744 rounds), 1.14, 7 agents
kiNgg (3350 rounds), 1.13, 10 agents
ScreaM (5371 rounds), 1.13, 8 agents
ZmjjKK (3202 rounds), 1.13, 6 agents
Alfajer (3332 rounds), 1.13, 13 agents
TenZ (5467 rounds), 1.13, 9 agents
leaf (4573 rounds), 1.13, 17 agents

Top 10 PLAYERS statistically (tier 1 only MIN OPP RATING 2100)

More filtered data, MIN OPP RATING: 2100

Leo (378 rounds), 1.18, 5 agents
Shao (516 rounds), 1.17, 5 agents
trexx (346 rounds), 1.15, 5 agents
Mako (360 rounds), 1.15, 4 agents
Chronicle (325 rounds), 1.14, 9 agents
yay (650 rounds), 1.14, 3 agents
Alfajer (296 rounds), 1.13, 5 agents
Sacy (360 rounds), 1.12, 4 agents
Sayf (241 rounds), 1.12, 5 agents
Suygetsu (476 rounds), 1.12, 5 agents
Less (584 rounds), 1.11, 4 agents
d4v41 (242 rounds), 1.07, 5 agents
aspas (584 rounds), 1.07, 3 agents

1. Laz
2. Nitr0
3. Stellar
4. Ethan
5. JcStani

Complete the busting process so that post-nut clarity helps alleviate your complex array of emotions. Then tell your parents this: Mom, bust this, bust that, I'm a baby in chat! Yo yo check it check it gekko roman me!

But he's asking relationship advice on VLR.GG, what else am I supposed to advise? Calm your tits down bro.

No, I suggest him to conduct one final sex with her only to pull out towards the end and dump cum all over her face while screaming "YOU ARE DUMPED BITCH"

Ultra revenge.

Have one last sex with her and then pull out and cum dump all over her face while screaming "YOU ARE DUMPED BITCH"

Ultra revenge.

Mini said he not only has the qualities of IGL but frags well, when asked who'd IGL without Boaster, Boaster named Leo, I think this goes to show his other more intangible skills that aren't at display.

Also, as a player overall, they aren't placing him higher, though? They are just speaking more to the recent performance where he has demonstrably performed better so far. Besides, he had a pedigree in EMEA for being so ridiculously good on so many different agents so he deserves some of it. I'm sure if you ask them seriously, I don't think they'd admit derke and chronicle (very respected) are inferior.

Alfa? That's not far-fetched at all

Edit: Saadhak also said the same, "derke is the best player but Leo is the most crucial" in one of his stream or something along that line

Can you even read? I said Tier 1. And that was an analogy as to why some don't include inactive players.

He needs to be dogged on more to discount his previous performance.

💔🐶💔He isn't active, it's as simple as that 💔🐶💔 If he were to retire, would you still complain "better edit the title to put Top 10 still active players 💔🐶💔"?

It's not just mine, he's been tactfully left off people's lists, not because he's a bad player but just that we concentrate on tier 1 and we don't know how well yay would fare in the current meta. VALORANT is a highly dynamic game where variables shift constantly.

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This list is about top 10 best players - not top 10 most valuable players; we're talking about mechanical skills and gamesense.

HLTV top 20 list doesn't include IGLs for a reason; this is usually the conventional model of top 20 players list.

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You think yay didn't get diff'd by collegiate players?

That's a narrow minded way of looking at things. It's about the overall performance over a large sample of games

By that logic, Cryo is better than derke because he diff'd him once that time.

A measure of a player is not who he diffs and got diff'd by lol, there are ranked players who diff pro players who seldom diff pro players. It's a measure of a player over a large of sample of meaningful and significant games.

Grow some few points of IQ by reflecting on this please.

They want to kiss his ass, so of course they would be down to that.

Three time for FNATIC would be even more awesome. All the downvoters can come over and kiss our asses.

Less

He'll have to show more.

And yay... but for the opposite reason.

How in the world is Shao, who was not only the runner-up of LOCK/IN just behind Leo, but also the MVP of Copenhagen worse than Leaf? Hell. Even Shao's regional performance are better than Leaf's own regional performance.

Just say 'hfm'. Like FNS.

Even the current Hiko clears everyone else.

Completely agreed.

Bang is big bang itself. Without bang there would be no creation of the universe. He transcends this list.

Bang revealed to me in my dream that he's okay letting kids enjoy their undeserved glory.

Now say that without crying.

That's a fair point, on Aspas being dominant as of now. However, at worst, I suppose I'm more partial to non-duelists that can score such high performance. Aspas has been on the lead right now just as Less was at times in the past too. I guess it's back and forth between them. If one's underwhelming, the other is sure to step up. It's just Aspas' turn right now if you ask me.

We'll have to observe more before making a definitive statement. I still think Less is the best player on the team.

He went from underrated to fairly rated. He's still the best player on LOUD and that means something considering the presence of Aspas in the team.

I fear you might not have borne witness to his regional performance, seeing as how many do not pay attention to EMEA playoffs, and not without good reason.

If I belonged to that class of people, I'd have agreed. I was curious when I first heard of him, thought he was overrated, and when I took a closer look at his gameplay, I was convinced that while he might not be the best player in the world -- he wasn't really inferior to anyone.