There is 0 info on how long it takes to revive him, don't make assumptions.

Yoru was not viable cause of the huge sound cues for everything, not an issue here.

Breach's flash lasts longer but cannot be a true popflash and lacks the versatility of this flash, which was the point in my OP.

I know the 8v5 scenario is dumb, pointless argument. I just said it is possible, and specifically mentioned it's not viable.

How about you actually address the points in the OP instead of bringing up things that have nothing to do with what I wrote.

Ok tell me where I'm wrong?

It does, but you can 100% learn lineups so that it flashes just above a wall or beyond a corner. His right click as well, if you learn the timing/range you could have a flash that pops AS SOON as it clears a corner. Like I said, just much more versatile than any other flash so far

Astra HAS broken the game. Pros are sharing this opinion. You cannot counter her. That's why they're going to be balancing her this act so there is an actual counterplay.

Yoru seemed broken until we learned just how LOUD he was. This agent seems pretty fucking good.

Share your opinion on the case I made however.

Except you can use him to avoid being flashed. Knife or ult that skye/breach/phoenix/yoru/reyna and you can get in without getting flashed

It's literally anti-flash and anti-util

• You can literally have an 8v5 with a sage, phoenix and kay-o.

Phoenix ults in, kay-o with ult behind him. Phoenix revives with ult, kay-o downed, if rest of team can get site control with those two ults, kay-o can be "stabilized" or whatever, and sage can revive another killed player. Literal 8v5.

Don't think it'll be super viable cause I'd see kay-o as someone you can slot into phoenix' spot in a roster rather than have both, but it is a possibility lmao

To me, KAY-O looks fucking strong for the following reasons. Congizant I may have missed something. Let me know your opinions on why you think he'll be broken or not good. I state my case below.

His flash is the most versatile in the game
doesn't need a wall like breach
doesn't need to bounce like yoru
doesn't need to be guided and can be destroyed like skye
doesn't require close proximity to corners like phoenix
doesn't have a range limit and can be destroyed like reyna

This flashbang will be the only TRUE popflash in the game that is literally unavoidable if people learn lineups, like in CS

His nade is a more viable molly than any molly in the game as you will do higher damage per tick even though ticks are slower. Most mollies you can get out of and take like 5-10 damage, won't be the case here. Also more effective for zoning cause it lasts longer than raze nade

His knife literally gives info on HOW MANY you suppressed and WHO you suppressed as well. Jett in a one and done angle? Knife goes by, she can't dash out or use smokes. Imagine KJ on ascent B with that alley molly setup. "KJ suppressed rush in", kj cant stop the push. Can also be used JUST for info

His ult disables all abilities, gives him reyna/brim combat stim and allows him to be revived when down. When he's down he's got 850 hp so impossible to kill his downed body fast. Literally use him like a phoenix to get into site without the ability to get flashed while doing it, and you don't have to hold his body like phoenix.

Literally everything he has except for the knife and the emp part of his ult is a similar or better equivalent of existing util

EDIT: Edited to say he's got 850 HP when downed.

Bruh his flash is the most versatile in the game
doesn't need a wall like breach
doesn't need to bounce like yoru
doesn't need to be guided and can be destroyed like skye
doesn't require close proximity to corners like phoenix
doesn't have a range limit and can be destroyed like reyna

This flashbang will be the only TRUE popflash in the game that is literally unavoidable if people learn lineups, like in CS

His nade is a more viable molly than any molly in the game as you will do higher damage per tick even though ticks are slower. Most mollies you can get out of and take like 5-10 damage, won't be the case here. Also more effective for zoning cause it lasts longer than raze nade

His knife literally gives info on HOW MANY you suppressed and WHO you suppressed as well. Jett in a one and done angle? Knife goes by, she can't dash out or use smokes. Imagine KJ on ascent B with that alley molly setup. "KJ suppressed rush in", kj cant stop the push. Can also be used JUST for info

His ult disables all abilities, gives him reyna/brim combat stim and allows him to be revived when down. When he's down he's got like 1000 hp so impossible to kill his downed body fast. Literally use him like a phoenix to get into site without the ability to get flashed while doing it, and you don't have to hold his body like phoenix.

Literally everything he has except for the knife and the emp part of his ult is a similar or better equivalent of existing util

The irony of your comment.

• Says you shouldn't make discriminatory harmful remarks towards someone
• Calls someone a retard

LOL

There are people who could hit taps just as well as ScreaM. NiKo is a good example.

I just meant people kept sayin scream didn't belong in the pro scene; but he actaully had few good chances in CS. He had a crazy unlucky career

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you. I never considered s1mple the best player. No titles = not best player in my opinion.

Just sharing that most people will just look at flashy plays and stats. Especially in Valorant where enabling your stars is a lot easier than in CS.

ScreaM good but not best (scream bestest)

Man if you think about it ScreaM did have THE MOST unlucky career in CS history

I would make more of a gla1ve or FalleN comparison. gla1ve for the tactical mind but still good plays and FalleN for being one of the best players on his team, popping off with the awp while IGLing in LG/SK days.

Imagine thinking that stats like that prove much.

Just think of coldzera in 2016 and s1mple in 2020. Entire team focused on getting them kills, half their kills 0 impact, eco frags or exit kills. Stats obviously go sky high but doesn't necessarily mean much.

Funny that you say "its that simple" while s1mple is widely considered the best player in cs and he's always choked in finals.

shahzam and sick especially have always been the impact players on sentinels. We saw a godlike performance out of shahzam in iceland, but usually it's sick who makes all the best plays happen.

I'm not a massive football fan at all but cause of the European championship I can't help but make a comparison to Kevin De Bruyne. He won't be scoring all your goals, but he'll create so much space and get the right assists and passes to make his team win.

former 100t "star"

lmao

Massive downgrade. Ex6 actually popped off many times during NiP, he enabled their stars to shine as his util was extremely good always. Seemed revitalized while he was on a downturn in CS. Probably best breach EU when it comes to util usage. Not sure about his skye yet, haven't seen it enough.

No it was earlier than that. Was the 2015 C9 squad

All of C9 was using Aderrall at one point in CS

Doubt people would take promethazine as it leaves most people drowsy and having trouble focusing. People (including myself) get a hangover feeling from it.

There's a reason they recommend you don't operate heavy machinery and take care driving when you're on antihistamines

Those aren't majors... u idiot

Why would they regret it? It's not just tenz being a good player, it's also the fanbase he has. TenZ has a lot of media attention and a large fanbase. Most revenue of an esport org does NOT come from tournaments, but from sponsors etc.

Having a fan favorite like TenZ on your team does much more for sponsors and brand knowledge than winning tournaments (though winning iceland definitely is a big boost)

leaf has won 2 back to back majors? What are you on about?

He's never even been to a major

You reference CS but there have been VERY few transfers worth that much.

The only one I can think of is NiKo, which was reportedly in the low 7 figures.

Also, "an esport the size of valorant". Valorant really isn't even breaking into the top esports just yet. These values are all inflated due to EXPECTED growth, not actual growth.

That inconsistency thing about scream is so overdone and overplayed.

During his most prominent time, when he was playing in G2, he was 7th best player in the world and the main reason was, and I cite “high round-to-round consistency”.

It may have been true in 2013, but people kept repeating it all the way into 2021 and it simply is not true.

When has s1mple actually performed on a major? LMAO.

He chokes in majors. 0 majors, still considered best player in the world. Your logic is faulty.

By your logic, dev1ce is the best player in CS history. Not s1mple

Jamppi has been showing up about half the matches they play.

Fnatic is the stronger team tactically easily

Liquid has a chance at winning however if both scream and jamppi turn up. Oftentimes it’s only 1 of the 2. They need both if they want to win.

old internet meme

? breach flash follows the exact same logic as skye flash.

You just tend to get a bit more reaction time to skye cause most people arent as effective as using her flash. There's more of a skill ceiling than breach

Just means they're not revealing the gender yet

I just saw the post.

Ridiculous that they make grammatical errors in official comms

Fake and gay. I doubt Riot would make grammatical errors in a teaser

tenz not even the best player on his team tbf

eu is the biggest region in terms of playerbase and pro team numbers BY FAR

More than double the amount of teams in quals than NA, bigger playerbase, higher cutoff for radiant rank etc

Tbf the people in their game WERE acting like idiots.

I've seen the situation Zellsis is so mad about constantly. People only communicating to complain. I lived in the US for a while some years back and can confirm that comms in NA are MUCH MUCH better, and also more fun and lighthearted than comms in EU (at least on CS. I assume its the same or similar in valorant)

The issue isn't necessarily that TSM has fallen off, it's that other teams have caught up and surpassed them. TSM always played a very individual game with very little strats, and that simply won't cut it anymore. Just like G2 in Europe, they relied on just winning the duels

ScreaM
Ethan
TenZ
Aproto
cNed
Derke
Leaf
nAts
ShoT_uP
mwzera

No particular order, seems about right to me

It doesn't work as well nowadays, but just look at ScreaM 2013:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1ken7K5kQ4&ab_channel=NiceShotWorld-CS%3AGOGaming%26MoviesNiceShotWorld-CS%3AGOGaming%26Movies

that is exactly the style mwzera has, but the ADAD aim style was nerfed in CS

I'm HOPING we get a good match but I'm FEELING it's going to be a fnatic playground

LOL

Honestly a toss up between Liquid, Fnatic and Sentinels. If Liquid is on top form I could see them taking it, but fnatic is a more consistent team.

When it comes to sentinels it'll depend on how well their style matches against the EU teams. Hard to say atm.

Still I'm convinced that'll be the top 3. It's the order that is hard to predict. I'm inclined to think fnatic will take it

EU suckers at least aren't delusional about a weaker region like brazil

who the fuck is thewz

typical delusional brazilian

Almost all tournament winnings go to players in big pro teams.

It really depends. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it would be really hard for Valorant to overtake CS in Europe.

The real question that will determine whether valorant can overtake CS in pure viewership will be the rise of the Asian scene. CS is too strongly rooted in Europe, yet Asia looked towards other games primarily, and is the world's biggest gaming market.

If Asia gets big on the bandwagon, then I could see valorant surpassing CS. Timing is unclear. I suppose we'll be able to see it evolve and make a more educated guess when Reykjavik, Berlin and end of year major happen.