who is "you bums"

sentinel flair reading comprehension. Where's my flair?

close but not true, the MVP can sometimes go to a player of the team that lost the grand finals, due to outstanding performance in finals + the rest of the tournament.

that being said, I don't think it's relevant in the context of this tournament cause no player on TH played so well throughout GF and rest of tourney to trump anyone on EDG

Yes, but Skye has 2 flashes that can be popped right after one another, and is much more flexible in its usage, can flash anywhere and at long distance.

Good luck using vyse flash on attack properly

imagine saying sen 2021 is even remotely the same as sen 2024

literally only 1 overlapping player

org =/= team

the cost of her kit is ridiculously low. That wall seems INSANE for 200 creds, it's indestructible before and after it's used, just doesn't last very long, but definitely long enough to kill whoever pushed out in front of the wall.

Flash cannot be destroyed while it's winding up, super hard to dodge cause it can be in weird places like cypher cam. Also the flash gives info like skye flash

500 for the full kit is the lowest in the game for sure.

Ult is very good and almost impossible to miss if you have ANY idea where people are.

The only downside is that on attack it may be very hard to get consistent value out of her, as the trips are super easily shootable due to big hitbox, the ult goes around you, not to a designated area like breach/fade ult, and the flash can be destroyed before you get to pop it once you place the thing

Yes, he had the greatest individual performance of all time in big events.

This doesn't mean anything in the grander scheme of things unless he can do it multiple times over multiple events.

You clearly haven't been following esports for a long time - this is not how GOAT status works.

To take a CS equivalent - almost everyone agrees KennyS was probably one of the best players with the highest peak and craziest dominance in games during his peak, barring maybe s1mple (let's forget about zywoo and donk, too recent), but he's never considered in any GOAT conversations due to not being consistently among the top players.

I think KK is def at least in top 3 highest peaks, if not number 1 at this point, dude has the sickest mechanics I've seen in this game, he's lightning fast

This. People don't understand what "GOAT" means, it takes into account time.

BOAT = best of all time, takes into account peak and not necessarily time

Absolutely contender for best player of the year, if not by default the best. Of all time really shouldn't even be a question - the answer is absolutely not.

Grouped in Champions 2022, 1.06 rating, nobody was taking note of him

Masters tokyo in 2023 (1.15 rating, #4 in the tournament) was the first time he really started standing out as a player.

Before Masters tokyo nobody was really talking about KK.

I'm not making him look like shit, KK was INSANE this tournament. But with 1 tournament win and only 1 other tournament where he was actually standing out as a player, you can never be the greatest of all time.

I think you don't understand what the "GOAT" means.

Greatest of ALL TIME. KK had 2 good tournaments.

By your definition, should valyn have been in the GOAT conversation before KK broke the record? He was tied for the record before it was broken.

Greatest of all time means consistently over a long period of time being at the top. KK wasn't eveb on stage until like last year, how the fuck can he be greatest of all time with 1 tournament win.

They're pretty decent clips

Also, you 100% are a CS-player, right? You move/use the Operator as if it's the CSGO AWP

First time I've ever agreed with you trembo

You're right though. He's a duelist that barely creates space

KK should not even be mentioned at all in a conversation about the GOAT of valorant.

Before last year nobody even knew who he was

Crazy recency bias.

on the lower end of americas if you look at everyone's current form

all abilities of vyse give info too

flash lets you know someone is flashed, like skye (different sound and there's a voiceline)

Walk through her trap thing and it makes a sound

Wall lets you know someone is there or through

not sure about ult

Probably some agent which doesn't have a lot of mobility, outplay potential or difficulty with abilities (setups/lineups/timing).

Brim, sage, clove, reyna, chamber, phoenix

those seem the obvious ones to me. Other agents have to be a lot more smart with their util or mobility IMO. This is why there also aren't any initiators on the list, their util is all very timing and gamesense dependent, and no mobility duelists, as their mobility unlocks a whole level of outplay potential

Timezones

Also who cares

Tbf in cs it was discovered american players were on adderall, would you really be surprised if some valorant pros take whatever advantage they can get with the money and pressure involved?

There were CS scandals in the past where it was discovered many american players were proven to be on adderall (old c9 roster)

This will never happen

Good attitude my guy. Enjoy the finals tomorrow!

You do realize the american posters are the worst when it comes to these kind of threads right? The european posts are merely a reaction to that retardation

Fnatic during its peak was like prime astralis, top 3 players in every role in the team, very tactical slow play, made all the big events and finals, redefined metas

That’s the spirit. Let’s lose all the rivalry crap. It was a great game to watch and we, the viewers, regardless of region, should enjoy it. Looking forward to the finals with the 2 most deserving teams of the tournament

Tell me you don’t understand the game without saying you don’t understand the game

13-3 and 3-1 in maps is lucky? Lmao

Derke is an amazing role player. Always takes the space required, always first into the fray. Uses his util really smart. Plays a wider variety of duelists at the highest level than aspas

You can be a better duelist while posting “worse” stats.

So for sure, in the duelist role, derke >> aspas

At first glance it seems more oppressive than fade and breach ult.

Also cutting off someone after they've gone into site is pretty sick - I imagine people will have to clear her util like they do with cypher

DRX is the best abyss team in the world at this point.

You think TH hasn't learned from that game? They won against FNC, FPX and FUT on it too

Didn't work on icebox, where SEN has a 100% winrate, and TH has even more footage than on Abyss

this makes 0 sense. They've not played it so why should you estimate they have it? While TH has looked quite good on it

I remember an 11-2 comeback

hell ye

obvious bait, but EDG was clearly the better team vs lev

figures

what's even wrong with this? It's a compliment, obviously

people will find racism in places there's no racism

not very cash money of you, gordon ramsay

sacy is not #1 because leo exists

that's mainly because people have started seeing the insane prices that stickers can fetch to be completely fair. Not because the game is that much bigger in 2023 than it was in 2019

don't know why you're getting downvoted. Those are all just facts tbh.

it IS bigger, it HAS better production, there ARE more game, capsules ARE tradable and could go up in value, it DOES have a market

None of these were remotely even opinions except for maybe the production.

5v5, pick hero, win fight, shoot turret

"Whether it's good or bad, but there's personality"

This is such an ass take. It was absolutely terrible. Literal crowd-cheating, death threats, booing teams.

I'll take the NPCs over brazilian crowds any day

you mean the worst crowd valorant has ever seen?

If you're not at Imperial, Oxford or Cambridge, I'd just start crying m8

you're talking about a dude who rages hardcore at random ranked teammates and acts crazy arrogant.

I've had the misfortune of having him on my team multiple times. Never won a single game with him on the team.

I've also had the fortune of playing against him multiple times. Never lost a single game against him cause his team is so tilted.

Just disregard and move on

10/10 got my civil wedding tomorrow, picking up rings today, had an amazing bachelor party last weekend

top class cringe

Valorant and giving skins away for free?

You're joking mate

I once found out one of the Global Leads of my practice in my previous job used to play CS 1.6 back in the day. The dude is mid-to-late 50s. Kinda guy that makes 5-10 millies a year

Got him to install CSGO (this is a few years back) and played a couple games. Actually super chill

Won't get you a promote or pay increase though