Need to see how they play on other, non double duelist maps first, but like from what we've seen and on paper, they should be finishing top of emea no doubt. Vitality vs. TH gonna be a movie.
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Need to see how they play on other, non double duelist maps first, but like from what we've seen and on paper, they should be finishing top of emea no doubt. Vitality vs. TH gonna be a movie.
Lol i'm sure it will die down as the season goes on, but this is the first time we're seeing a gc player in VCT, it's a milestone. Can't be mad at it.
I said in the pool right now, so Lotus is the only map that rlly matters in that data. And its last year's data, from over 6 months ago... pre neon nerfs, pre chamber buff, pre phoenix buff. All things that will contribute to flash agents being mandatory basically. We'll see though, i'll come back to this after kickoff is over.
What teams run no flashes on any map in the pool right now? I'm fairly sure like 95% of teams have a flash agent in every single comp, so idk how that can mean no flash comp would be good.
Yeah, then they killed her immediately lol. Actually crazy cause it took them longer to nerf chamber even though he was way more op.
I don't agree, I think teams will realize that Yoru is a great pick, and that frees up a spot for an extra agent. Sure, teams could go triple initiator, and that will probably be good too. But if you look at the map pool, like 5/7 of the maps are attack sided imo. Fracture, haven, abyss, lotus, and pearl. I think it'd be better to invest in a defensive comp at least on those maps, since you technically can negate some of the attack disadvantages that come with double sentinel.
I was thinking how it was back when optic first started running chamber on every map, and then almost every team followed suit. With the agent diversity and balancing now, I doubt we'll ever get an agent that is played on every map, but do y'all think it can happen potentially? I think the only agent close enough to that level rn is yoru.
I think we're going to see more comp variety than we ever have before honestly. Double sentinel in this map pool is strong, triple initiator could come back, and with more teams adopting yoru, I think double dive with a raze/neon/jett might get some play too. I'd personally like to see a comp with yoru/gekko/breach, maybe on bind or sunset if it comes back.
TBH, there's really no buff you can give the stun without it being too broken, especially if they increase the bullet spread.
You're not wrong, can really only play no duelists on maps that have larger/multiple choke points available to attackers. There are only about three of those at all (icebox, pearl, ascent) and two of them are out of the pool. All the other maps have narrow chokepoints where an entry is almost necessary.
YES, if you're able to beat teams that have been practicing for MONTHS because you innovated the meta faster than anyone else, no matter how many days' notice, that literally takes skill? And it's not that teams haven't mastered those agents, it's that most teams think they have better comps without those agents. Bottom line is, a team playing an agent on 5 days notice is a RISK, and if that risk pays off and they beat the standard comps that teams have practiced for months, you're telling me that it isn't a serious win? If so, then no need to continue this.
So a team being the fastest to discover a way to utilize the new agent = no skill. I'd actually argue that takes as high of skill than anything else. You can literally look at the flip side argument, a team that decides they want to play tejo only has 5 DAYS to practice him. So if a team decides it's worth it and is able to actually have success with it, how exactly is that a "joke" and "no skill"?
I mean his util can literally clear a site almost by himself, I think we're going to start seeing no sentinel comps, and people run triple initiator again. What sucks if that's what happens is the meta will become even more retake heavy. Like against a comp running Jett, Tejo, Sova, Breach, Astra? You just can't hold any site realistically.
Once again, ALL the teams are going to have this "problem", so it effectively isn't unfair anymore. If a team is able to implement the new agent in a way that helps them win with short notice, how does that discredit their win/the event? They were able to adapt their comps faster than the others, who once again also have the choice to try to adapt or just go with what they practiced.
That's on them for not adapting then lol. A team that wins off "abusing" an agent better than other teams deserves to win, and if they can't adapt after that agent is no longer "abusable", then they won't be able to win and that's fine. Idk why everyone complains about stuff like this like not all the teams can play the agent or something. It's on the pros to be creative and see where he can fit in comps.
I mean she might be the easiest agent to play in the game, idk if there's really a way to not use her properly. Literally just smoke and take fights, that's all her kit really is good for lol.
Makes no sense to me how they can go from releasing a balanced agent like Vyse to this. Shouldn't be a way for a breach ult that kills people to make it into the game.
ngl, I was including imports cause they play in that respective league, but even excluding that, EU still has the best sentinels. Benjy, suygetsu, yetujey, alfajer, nats. It's not even remotely close honestly, that might be the role that's the clearest.
What regions do you think are the most talented for each role?
Imo, it's Americas for duelists, EMEA for flex/sentinels/initiators, and Pacific for Controllers.
Bruh I just checked his stats. Was he too young to be picked up by a team? Cause I've genuinely never seen numbers as high as his.
Raze/Neon
Fade
Breach
Astra
Deadlock/Vyse
I think whatever team(s) run some variation of this comp will have the most success, but it's all dependent on if these agents stay near their current state.
How can talent rise if you have to be apart of the VCT ecosystem to be able to get into a "high" level queue? You'd be playing against nobodies, the reason ranked right now can signify talent is because all the top pros are who you're playing against lol. Realistically too, very little pros (especially top ones) would play regular ranked if such a queue became a thing. Didn't tarik run something similar and like the radiant ranked q's became barren? Idk, I think having a radiant requirement would be good, but a pro requirement just defeats the purpose of climbing the leaderboards.
I don't think the FPL would translate the same, because there just aren't the same avenues to pro in valorant as there is in CS (way less teams invested in Val), so ranked is like pretty huge way for players to get their chance/get noticed. I think allowing only radiants would work, but only allowing contracted pros (not even all of them by your suggestions), deserving up and comers wouldn't be able to get their chance like primmie, karon, demon1, etc.
I might be biased, but i'd say the chichoo ace on lotus just off the fact I've never seen such re-adjustments so accurate and quick, it literally looked like he had some type of aimlock. The KangKang guardian 4k too, I actually thought Heretics was actually gonna comeback before that round.
Didn't even suit that meta is a technically correct statement, but I don't think that's necessarily a disadvantage. Being able to have variation in your comps is a huge advantage, and they were the only team that actually got better by taking their main OPer/star OFF chamber.
When aspas was playing chamber and they had essentially no entry, they were struggling more than when they had less on it and kept aspas on entry agents, something teams had started to abandon on certain maps (when triple initiator/double sentinel comps were at their peak on ascent/icebox/etc.)
Realistically, it's Chichoo considering the level of comp in 2024 vs. 2021, but not accounting for that it's Nats, he was the first non-duelist star.
I think they'll be decent, but they need another IGL if they want to be top 3-5. I don't think nature is a good enough caller to maximize the talent they have.
NGL Leaf might be the most 40-year-old looking 21 year old ever.
100t, LOUD, C9, 2G, EG in no order.
NGL DFM can definitely win kickoff lol. They looked good, even better than GenG looked imo. I still think T1 or NS are gonna win, but DFM and PRX are right there too.
You can be the goat if you're consistently ONE of the best and have trophies to back it up. No player in the game has been the best in the world for multiple seasons. So there is no definitive goat in the game, but Chronicle is definitely on the shortlist of players who should be considered.
"Author's Note : It is worth noting that Riot Games issued this warning to Benjyfishy before announcing the allowance of gambling sponsors in the VCT on November 28, 2024."
Reprimand player for gambling but allow your company to have gambling sponsors. Lol
There shouldn't be sova nerfs, they've already nerfed him. The fact is the only other recon initiator's recon abilities are just not as good. The dart will always be better than the eye, the drone is better than the dog on most maps, the solution should be buffing fade. increase her dogs range, maybe make the eye smaller in size so it's harder to shoot, or make it activate faster.
Yeah it's the same for me, I believe it's because you can get used to ranked being a coin toss as far as what your team will be like (skill, comms, etc.), so you might be subconsciously putting less focus on the game itself. For me, it's just not enjoyable to be on a team with no comms and/or teamplay, which is like 80% of ranked games, so I even find myself sometimes doing braindead shit because i'm not mentally invested in the match.
Lmao he's basically the youngest to do everything. Hope he keeps frying, this is ridiculous.
I mean he's technically already tier 1, and was the best player at the SOOP league by a fair margin, so I think he'll be ok. But I probably would say it'd be the biggest letdown for a debuting player, which isn't really much competition cause the T2 pipeline only really became prominent last year, before that teams were just recycling pros.
Can someone explain if this kid is actually the goat? I saw him and one of his teammates with like 1.6 ratings and then all the rest of his team had sub 1 ratings. and they still won the major. I don't watch CS but by the stats it just seems like he is miles ahead of who he's playing against to the point he can just carry. Is he like the CS duelist equivalent for his team?
Ngl they'd struggle against serbia and albania without at least some of the first team guys lol
Wondered why they kept this guy over Kristal, but i'm starting to see it. He might be top 3 players in the CN league this year.
Is this guy like the Woot of SA? He's been frying since I last saw him in ascension; he's like one of the only duelist players i've seen who's good at all duelist agents too. I don't watch Brazil T2, but i'd imagine if he can perform like this against teams like KRU, he is destroying ppl in T2?
This series came to mind, specifically ascent. Never seen a player just outright win as many fights as yay did that map.
Classic riot maneuver, OP the shit out of an agent, then when everyone complains, nerf it to worse than it was pre buff. Last stage is when no one plays neon anymore and they slightly buff her again. Same thing they did to chamber, iso, viper, gekko, etc.
I mean they were still one of the best teams prior to her with the old c9 rosters, don't think they'll be seeing too much dropoff.
Terrible changes if true. They looked solid at RBHG, but C9 gonna C9 ig. #FreeOXY
As much as I'd like to think it's bait, i wouldn't put it past c9 to sign someone and drop them after one offseason tournament.
Compared to 2nd at masters, and winning champs the year prior. While they might have had a good year objectively, it is still disappointing considering what they'd done prior. That's all i'm saying, I think EDG can be the first team to lift another trophy after winning champs.
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