Very bad, but he subbed in for a Champs MVP and played a huge range of agents (KJ, Brim, Viper, Kayo, Breach) and was a big part of why they lifted that trophy

I know, and they fully deserve the title of World Champs, but they were literally really bad for the rest of the year. Like 5 rounds in 2 maps against a team that made 1 Lan this year bad.

Zellsis Bind + Icebox performance earned him that spot

I know but you can't take away that EDG was straight up bad internationally until champs

what would you change?

This is my opinion

Best Initiator - Riens: A no brainer, clearly the initiator of the year. Best EMEA player of the year. Will battle with Leo for the EMEA init title next year, will be exciting to watch.
Best Smokes - Karon: Would unironically be Tenz if he played more than Omen. But Karon is very close performance wise and a beast. Crazy he was just a ranked player before this.
Best Duelist - Zekken: I know KangKang just lit up the world, but Texture and Zekken had better years. I have to give it to Zekken because he got the better of Texture when it mattered most.
Best IGL - Munchkin : Could have gone with Johnqt for good reason, but while John's firepower is better, Munchkin is also a shooter and I think his calling is better, especially defensive rotates. Also no deadlock incidents.
Best Senti - Meteor: He's a fucking god
Best Flex - Zellsis : Honestly I don't even wanna give it to him but he really stepped it up

Best Team - SEN: I know people are gonna say GENG, but SEN went 2-2 with them and bested them in the '2' that mattered most (GF and elim match)
Biggest Frauds - NRG: I don't need to explain this, honorable mention to NAVI management tho
Best Event - Shanghai: It's close between shanghai and madrid but i'm going shanghai. Champs had by far the best final but the rest was pretty meh
Best team to watch - Heretics: They had alot of gigabanger games, all throughout the year too. Internationally and regionally.

Now re-read the first line

The lower vs upper bracket record is basically even

Bro just mad Heretics couldn't do what SEN, EG, and FPX did

Diagnosis: Skill Issue

Dark Knight Trilogy still the best superhero movies ever made ong

nvm

Fine, I'll be not so nice about it

Bro only tough when his team is way up 😂😂😂
Pussy boy too scared to keep that same energy when it's even 😂😂😂
Cowards don't win championships 😂😂😂

Warning: A lotta yap

I've noticed a trend amongst champions, particularly the last three and to a lesser extent acend (they were pretty undeserving and we all know it), so I'll focus on them. None of them were favorites to win or the best team of the year up until that point. Every one of those three had to experience utter failure before they could become champions. And they all had to maintain a full belief in themselves throughout the 'lows' to eventually reach the top. I call this 'climbing the mountain', they all had to start from the bottom and face an seemingly insurmountable task to get to the top. They had to fully prove they possessed the heart of a champion before they could become one.

• Loud
  For Loud, that mountain had a name. Optic. Their rivals who had bested them in their first finals, and embarrassed them by grouping them at Copenhagen. This marked the 'low' for Loud. The mountain lied ahead of them at champs. Once again, Optic bests Loud, and even when Loud finally wins one in uppers, when Optic came out of the lowers, it appeared that they were marching their way towards their destiny. The team that got the better of them again and again was here to do it one final time. 'Optic never loses rematches' 'We always beat these guys'. But Loud never doubted that they could reach the summit, and they did that day.

• EG
  No team better encapsulates the struggle necessary for success than EG. People questioned whether they even belonged in franchising. They set history as the first team to get 13-0'd. If their season didn't turn around, the roster would have blown up and none of them would likely have a good chance of being in franchising in the future. But a unique event occurred, Mibr gives them a lifeline, a chance at redemption. Their climb started there. They weren't even supposed to make it. A twist of fate gets them into playoffs. Then, a ticket to Tokyo. A miracle run that turns supposed chumps into champs.

• EDG
  Again, we see the pattern of a reaching a low before we reach the highs. For EDG, the back to back embarrassment at madrid and home-turf at shanghai would have killed the expectations of anybody that didn't have the heart of a champion. But EDG did, and despite the doubters - especially their own harsh fans - they showed up and proved to the world that they had what it takes, something they knew within themselves at the bottom of the mountain before they reached the top.

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"Why do we fall, Sir? So that we can learn to pick ourselves up"
"You still haven't given up on me?"
"Never"
Alfred and Bruce, Batman Begins

so you are upset when he stands up and when he doesn´t stand up

Lmao thats a really creative way to twist it, 10/10

Lets ask it again, why does he only seem to stand up and show confidence when his team is comfortably up? He didn't even do it when benjy wins a HUGE round to even the score.

My theory is that all this confidence and flexing is superficial, some might even describe that behavior as cowardly.

Where was the standing and screaming when benjy clutched (to put EDG onto an eco too) to make it 2-2 on final map? Pretty reserved reaction out of him on the replay i'd say

Or do his legs only work when he's up on the scoreboard?

Had a DRX flair for all of champs. Made posts about how I think they have what it takes to win it all (i still think they do).

Find a post from me saying champs would be "Free" for DRX or TSM tho, or that its "obvious" they'll win

Its not just the fans

'Lets see if that trash talking starts when its 0-0' - the GOAT

Derke's biggest achievement this year was statpadding against BLG and KRU.

Zekken - a Trophy and 100+ kills in a gf against another trophy winning team
Aspas - Podium finish at Champs (best player on his team too, unlike Derke), stated the best duelist in the world by his peers
Texture - Trophy and general beastmode
ZmjjKK - You just beared witness to it yesterday

you right

Not even the best duelist on Fnatic unfortunately

There's currently 4 duelists that stand out from the rest, much like the 4 kings era in boxing

Aspas - "The Final Boss"
Zekken - "Superboy"
ZmjjKK - "The Beast from the East"
T3xture - "Sexture"

I don't act like the team i root for is a guarantee to win everything and crown them before it starts. Shit was nonstop with TH

he has murder in his eyes

he's not bad, but he emanates a fake self confidence that rubs me the wrong way. It's hard to describe, but exemplified about how he stands up and screams after every round he gets 2 (but only when they're up).

Yall really thought these monyet victims were gonna win champs??????

"wE gOt SeCoNd WiTh A sUb JuSt WaIt UnTil MiNiBoO cAn PlAy" 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

Imagine thinking a team with:

• a hype job who let it get to his head and dyed his hair vomit-yellow thinking he was the main character
• a nepo hire who stands up every to scream every time he gets a 2k (but only when they're up)
• a fortnite kid with a mullet
• a literal mouth breather
• and Riens, one good player

was enough to go all the way 😂😂😂

Especially after they threw that pistol vs Flashback, yall shoulda known better than to think that.
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Almost felt bad making this thread but after all the hubris coming from the fans its desperately needed:

Literally immediately after a resounding finals loss to Geng - "Champs gonna be so free for Heretics"
After surviving DRX in a game the should have lost - "TH winning champs the script is so obvious"

Well deserved loss after being prematurely crowned the kings of the world
Maybe PRX 2.0 fans will learn some humility.

YALL THOUGHT 🤣🫵 🤣🫵 🤣🫵 🤣🫵 🤣🫵 🤣🫵 🤣🫵 🤣🫵🤣🫵 🤣🫵 🤣🫵 🤣🫵 🤣🫵 🤣🫵 🤣🫵 🤣🫵🤣🫵 🤣🫵 🤣🫵 🤣🫵 🤣🫵 🤣🫵 🤣🫵 🤣🫵🤣🫵 🤣🫵 🤣🫵 🤣🫵 🤣🫵 🤣🫵 🤣🫵 🤣🫵🤣🫵 🤣🫵 🤣🫵 🤣🫵 🤣🫵 🤣🫵 🤣🫵 🤣🫵🤣🫵 🤣🫵 🤣🫵 🤣🫵 🤣🫵 🤣🫵 🤣🫵 🤣🫵🤣🫵 🤣🫵 🤣🫵 🤣🫵 🤣🫵 🤣🫵 🤣🫵 🤣🫵

Imo full on toxicity doesn't help but passive-aggressiveness works wonders. I've played alot of initiator and alot of the time when I'm droning out an awp line and someone doesn't wait and dies for it I hit em with something like:

"Damn, we're not waiting for drone there? Do we not know someone can hold that? Are we new to the game?"

and they almost never make the same mistake again after that.

Aged like the finest of wines

N4rrate has one right?

The point is why would they dedicate their time to a different game if they could so easily come to valorant and win everything? It would be a no-brainer, especially financially, so why not switch? They answer that question in the video, Valorant is harder - they said it themselves.

0/8

Valorant is too hard for CS pros: https://youtu.be/i9gGZgNbhA0?si=VAFmTOqBoumF5A3D

If it really was so easy for them to switch and dominate, they would have, end of discussion.

They get smacked by both PRX and EG, a hard reality check, proving what I have said all along: Fnatic was only the 3rd best team in the world when they won tokyo

What happened a month later when their star player didn't have visa issues and they could actually practice with him?

Ill tell you: they did much better than fnatic, including beating the team that smacked tf out of them at champs, the same way PRX did (also visa issues).

FNC has a burnout

So much cope. We're still doing the 'burnout' routine? Why was EG not burned out and got 1st at champs? They went to those finals in tokyo too, same 1 month break, right back at it. The truth is they were the 4th best team at champs, and they ran into the 3rd best team.They were also not the best team in the world at tokyo

FNC in champs had practically everyone of their starts read and copied due to how good they were. people literally copied they're lotus

And I'm glad you bring up their lotus, its the ultimate example of their fraudulent, paper-thin 'greatness'. A perfect metaphor. Everybody thinks they were so insane and ahead of everybody else, and they bring up the Lotus comp as an example. But their understanding of Lotus was surface level, it's why they got hard exposed by LOUD on it by the time Champs came around, by punishing it's weakness's. Sliggy has a great breakdown on it that you should watch in full : https://youtu.be/HkcI0rC6dcY?si=zzgwUELbpKiQaQPK

Take note when he mentions that other teams domestically tried and failed to expose this weakness, but of course, Fnatic got away with it by just mech-checking everybody in EMEA. But when they ran into a team that could shoot back, this supposed strategic superiority dissapeared.

FNC in their prime clear EG any day

LOL. Fnatic played against a nerfed EG at tokyo (imagine losing your star player and preparing for a major tournament without him - potentially practicing different compositions, agents, synergy issues - just for him to return last minute)

The result:
Fnatic decisively better on 1 map : Lotus
EG decisively better on 1 map : Fracture
Every other map came down to 2 rounds, the closest possible margin in valorant
Upper finals came down to a smoke spam

N4rrate Jett/Flex (mostly init obviously), Zekken Sova/Neon/Raze

Either the Trexx 1v5 Navi or the Mako 1v4 vs Th

Forreal free my goat

#6 bro its not that serious its a joke about how aspas got 0.01 better rating

see #6

THIS IS A SILLY THREAD OF COURSE THEY BOTH PLAYED GREAT STOP TAKING IT SO SERIOUS !!!

he got it by 0.01 lol

So that Aspas can get the jett diff lmaooo

preseason, single elim, showcase tourney with a worthless trophy that breaks on planes

100T Masters : 1

Red Bull Home Ground isn't a masters, but it is a trophy nonetheless.

^^^^^how you sound

Fraudnatic has only 1 master, and they were the 3rd best team in the world when they won it.

Bro copied my whole fucking flow, word for word bar for bar

https://www.vlr.gg/393738/fnatic-was-never-great

Unpopular for a reason

Cryo Ardiss Derke were all good on it

I agree, having boaster on the other team is a massive buff for anybody playing fnatic

worst team in franchising at the time too

Boaster vs a random immortal 1 player.

No calling, no igling, no looking at minimap, no microing, no more excuses.

damn didn't know Leo only played with Bonkar and Yacine and there was nobody else on the roster

Wait till you hear about a certain swedish player literally famous for never dying first, despite the great variety of situations you encounter playing valorant.