What a hype finals
Insane crowd, and an absolute brawl of a last map
GGs to CGN
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What a hype finals
Insane crowd, and an absolute brawl of a last map
GGs to CGN
all lan games are played within 1 day so a bo5 to end it off would be hard time wise
(So theoretically if SK had won all their games they would have played 3 Bo3s)
Dach is budget this year so what can you do; luckily this is only for points so its not the end of the world but yeeeeea.... lots of weird decisions with this scheduling
13-0s all day rn
13-0 dang
Requiem are genuinely impressive, hope to see them in t2 this time round
well that means you are confirmed as a non "emeatard[s] or chronicle cock sucker", obviously
click happened again
https://www.vlr.gg/event/1925/champions-tour-2024-emea-kickoff/playoffs
winning kickoff is worth 3 points
nop 0-2 loss means TL qualify
2-1 is round diff (so BBL qual)
2-0 is map diff so auto bbl qual
As mentioned above, remove single elim from playoffs and then this is an interesting format
Its harder to understand which is a bit of a problem, but its super interesting from a simulation standpoint
By having all teams in a group play against the exact same opponents you can implement the 2 win rule (which helps reduce the unfair group problem we always have in valo) - and is in general a more fair way to judge teams on paper (idk if it is in practice, this entire split has been wild in all 4 regions)
If only it was 12 teams not 11, but thats just gonna be a problem in any format ig (since that impacts the 2 win rule)
Its weird not having h2h matchups though ngl
TL really wanted revenge for that ascension final
theory is probably just that m8 is one of the most anti-strat heavy teams
but this is still quite something
good thing m8 doesnt like lurking.... riiiight?
if theres 1 team that likes making life hard for the TL boys its m8 so this is perfect ngl
Yea then they wont be good this year
Scrims are good regionally, but I just cant see a world where they make it to Champions (and theyre out for masters)
They are the definition of a mid atm
You wont be seeing them in internationals, but theyre not a hopeless team
It looks like they cant punch up (at all), but they have good games vs teams on an equal level
So depends on what you have as your definition of good
Yes riot has always pushed narratives for their media day videos, however its braindead to blame them for this backlash
There have been plenty of players who have equal if not worse quotes taken out of context by the team to create tension, yet weirdly enough those players then dont also fully lean into it during live interviews, press conferences and their personal tweets.
Like do any of you think of MIBRs frz as a toxic player because of the quote during the original Reykjavík? Do we think Scream is an NA hating asshole?
Even if its the most atrocious shit you can either call out riot or explain where the quote is from and youll be fine.
Assuming the current discourse around demon1 has gotten to him, just stopping with the persona will realistically fix it; the only players we remember as toxic are people like Zombs who made it their personality and farmed interactions with it. If that aint you then you dont have to do it
yea the problem with discussions on here is that people arent here to be convinced or informed. The few times we do have people who are well informed on the subject due to their studies share their opinions/understanding of the subject they have to deal with idiots to the point where they just dont comment on future threads
There is nothing to be gained from the threads in their current form. It sucks to indirectly silence a minority however I just dont see a way you can change this fact without HEAVY moderation, which VLR has never really done.
it does look like he was helping with the calls a good bit, they feel kinda lost in some situations
at the same time it might just be one of those games where nothing works how they want it to and the mental is destroyed, so we'll see how they bounce back
every International the team I was cheering for didnt win was a fluke, how is that so hard to understand?!
I would say they signed him for his experience to help with the 3.5 inexperienced players but yes the goal was never to have him igl (at least initially during the offseason interviews)
Team that lost all their good players to other orgs, that just swapped coaching staff and has very inexperienced (in t1) players
individually probably not (he had an insane game vs Vit but hes always had these blowout games from time to time), but the util they lose when he dies tends to be less valuable
They really gotta ban pansy from the building, this is insane
stating current standings/form isnt bias
and at least imo it hasnt been distracting in terms of frequency with a decent amount of praise mixed in between criticisms
its the other way round since turkey was part of emea first, but yes you are correct
I dont think hes very underrated at all since everyone knows that hes a talent
hes just always been signed to big orgs that arent likely to just let him go
Sorta the same way how all the acend players didnt get on t1 teams, despite multiple teams being interested in them; buyouts are a bitch
Only if consoles become strong enough to run it at 60fps with updated graphics, otherwise I see no world where they remaster it
(and dream on if you think theyd port it to pc while also improving the product... that'd make them money and we cant have that)
sayf really wanted to stay with leo so its not impossible
but since he was pretty clear that his goal was to try and teach younger players this year, joining a team like fnatic would go against that
potential problem with that is that we dont know how much midrounding input starxo has (since Shadow is new to igl)
doubt it'd fix anything, but yea would be an upgrade atm
I wanna see them bolster their coaching staff, last year they always feel so flat in the idea department (and feels like theyll continue that trend this year)
nah g2 is spanish too
just have headquarters in germany, but they never really tried to be a german org and market to german fans
(realistically they are just international since they dont have a focus on any country at all nowadays)
Koi vs Bleed is gonna be a battle for the ages
But after today Koi do just have to be the worst team, they have all the issues of the other teams while also lacking firepower
(New IGL and very few setplays, lacking fundamentals, missed lineups galore, firepower)
Mibr is just better than the other teams here based on what we saw and really should be here^ but ye its gonna be between them and giants imo
its gonna depend on the person for sure; someone young like Miniboo probably wouldnt shit-talk to coach that got him into t1
but theres quite a few players who do just call out their former coaches when asked to compare them
the ones I can think off of the top of my head are sayf talking about barbarr (wasnt that negative), nukkye had a pretty long discussion comparing his past coaches to pipson a while ago and then theres the ardiis stream where he just talks about all his past teams (and a ton of coaches get called out)
but also them just bringing up past coaches when not explicitly asked about them is a sign for a good coach (like the miniboo example above)
You pretty much have to listen to how their former players talk about them
I have very little knowledge about the Spanish scene so I cant give you that much info, but miniboo praised him on his stream today as a strategic coach
Yea id say hes good enough and I can see him being a filler piece on a roster rebuild when one of the bottom teams restructures.
However thats also sorta the only way I can see him getting picked up into t1 again - it wouldnt make sense to pick him up as a player to develop and hes not super star level either (obviously since hes in t2).
Its a shame for him that the internals of case are so fucked (and that they just blew up the offseason roster for a certain fraud watch coach) since I could have seen him make a return this year based on their offseason performance and the teams INSANE upper limit.
lmao yea I remember the amount of flaming that resulted due to that series
had people convinced they were gonna be absolute garbage
high deaths so a lot of his kills were considered "low impact" (traded) by the ratings formula
(still bad) rule of thumb is to use ACS for duelists and rating for support players
fut know how to play their comp on attack so they didnt lose
on attack you get to decide the pace so you can just avoid the problem of not having any info by clearing out space via util + trades
on defense KC controls the pace and any space they take Fut have no util to reclear
(basically comp is good at not giving up space but space they do lose is just gone)
also ofc while I write this matreen happens so ya know.... like map 1 where KC have some insane plays and Fut sorta choke
His "crime" was repeating a states propaganda while discussing it with a girl in a private text chat. Yes the issue was a young adult repeated something the media was telling him right after (24th Feb) the war started.
That was the weakest kind of "support" you can think of and for any normal and less horrific topic the conversation would have continued until both understood each others position and BraveAF would have been made aware that his media was pushing an untrue agenda and that his comment was incredibly insensitive.
It really wasnt hard to convince brave either since he made an apology post saying how he wasnt well informed right after the shit hit the fan and that he didnt want the war to continue.
The point isnt that hes an angel or anything, the whole thing was def fucked up to say to someone whos country currently getting invaded, but you shouldnt blow this out of proportion and make it into something it quite simply wasnt.
dont come here with thats bs shit, we want life in prison!
they were also considered favorites going into the reykjavík qualifiers (with fpx and guild (last one being a bit questionable) being the other 2 big names), but got absolutely owned by fnatic and liquid "creating" the postplant meta between qualifiers
banger series so far
and the casters quite literally losing their shit is funny af when you dont understand them
rap god -> random animal sounds -> laugh flash -> more rap god
Had they been able to keep their players last year I think it would have been fine
They had some real talent there, its just that everyone of those players got offers elsewhere and wanted to leave
Well good thing tarik is our perfect org owner
Orgs need to balance immediate return with long term investment into players - imo their main goal this year should be trying to create a core they can iterate on for future years to come
Is the roster perfect for that? eeeeh Id prefer it if Polvi wasnt an import (find it hard to build a core around an import), but its really not a bad attempt. 3 t2 players, Russ as a new (only 1 year experience) IGL and then Benkai to give the team experience.
Thats the perfect composition for talent development imo^
Could you have had all 3 t2 players be from SA? For sure and I would have 100% supported that team too, but it would have looked significantly worse in the short term.
I actually dont outright mind the idea of a bracket reset since it does fix some issues
Multiple coaches at this point have commented on the fact that a rematch (on even grounds) favors the loser since it is easier to fix mistakes and anti than it is to predict how your opponent is going to adapt to your gameplan (imo mainly the fact that often times the winner already showed their anti is the main advantage for the loser)
And theres the semi major problem that finals are played in a completely different format. Bo5s just play out different to Bo3s and different teams are good at them. I find it hard to judge how big of an effect this ends up having, it is however a potential problem for the current format.
BUT adding a bracket reset creates so many problems that I just dont think it would be viable to switch. On one hand bracket reset means bo3 finals (2 bo5s in a day is too much and splitting the finals into 2 days would just create the problems the current format had again). From a competitive integrity standpoint I dont think bo3s are too bad (above point) however the hype aspect just dies. The grand finals being a 2 map series would be the most anti-climatic way to end an international.
Its also just boring tbh. Realistically both teams will want to play the same maps again and the only way we get a different map pool is via bans. In a then exclusively bo3 format where perma bans are incredibly viable these bans could very well be set in stone already. Teams wont have fun anti/set plays ready for the second round either since they have to show everything in the first round.
Tldr: bracket reset (bo3) could be interesting but creates bigger problems than it fixes