There groups were randomly drawn by a fair set or predetermined pools. Do you not want Riot to follow the rules they make? They cant just have someone make the groups manually, even if it seems quite simple and obvious what the fairest set of groups would be, cuz than bias could potentially play a part. They also couldn't make the groups solely based on seeding since each region has a different amount of teams.

To an extent and yes I believe in the contract these pros sign with Riot there's a section stating they must try their hardest every match. But this ESIC investigation is only going on due to the gambling and large amount of money involved. Throwing and fixing are two different things, imo. Matchfixing, the two teams collaborated to fix the outcome of the match (at least in the most serious cases). Throwing would just be one team throwing a match since loosing benefits them in some ways, usually seeding. Matches being potentially "thrown" are usually due to bad format by the TO's. People also just call all seeding games "throws" and don't even take into account that teams are experimenting, since seeding games are like an official scrim.

Yea some of them, I wouldn't say all of them. Out of the 35 people being investigated, I'm sure some were more involved than others. But yes the ones at the top made a boatload of money

WTF I literally said "involved gambling and players making money from throwing games". Your the one saying a tactical throw is the same thing.

I would agree on dumb, but def not boring. It makes the group stage more exciting, imo. But I agree, I prolly wouldn't have done it. But it was made public before the groups were drawn so idk why everyone was so surprised and is still crying about it.

bruh, the pools were fair, it was an unlucky draw. The way they made these groups is the only fair way to do it when you have a different amount of teams coming from each region. They said from the beginning that two EMEA teams can be in the same group.

The matchfixing being referenced here, and being investigated by ESIC, involved gambling and players making money from throwing games. Thus fans who bet on the game were basically being scammed.

This is the most flawed logic possible. Your assuming Sentinels haven't improved at all since Iceland. Every team matches up differently with each other.

just put a delay on her dash after she fires her weapon, like half a second or something. This will help with the untradeable fights she can take while still having her dash.

Not sure and I wasn't one of them. I appreciate when people who disagree actually offer counter-arguments.

EMEA 2 and 3 are in separate pools. It was made public, before the groups were even made, that 2 EMEA teams could be in the same group due to them having the most teams. They made this rule and followed it, and it was also made public so IDK why everyone is so surprised. At least its not EMEA 1 and 2 together. The draw was random. They made the rules and they followed them. Do you expect them not to follow the random drawings when the two EMEA teams were put in the same group and just change it since no one would even know?

And your only thinking about the community aspect and what you want when asking for the groups to be changed, since you want to see the best teams make the playoffs. Your not thinking about the affects the changes would have on other teams, your only thinking about the affects it would have on SMB. What you think is right, clearly other people think isn't, including Riot, which is why they haven't changed the groups. It would be the wrong thing to do since the groups were already made public. If they changed the groups, and moved Kru to group A, than Kru and all their fans would start complaining. And they would actually have the right to.

This would absolutely set a bad precedence since the community would think they're 2 for 2 in getting the changes they want. Riot changed the format, after initial complaints, and it was the right thing to do. It didn't affect any teams or the amount of games being played. This group change would affect teams, some in positive ways and others in negative. Its just not a reasonable ask when you look at it from all angles. If they do change it, I'll be absolutely shocked. Sorry for the long post.

Nice counter argument. Must not have the IQ to articulate what your thinking. Keep crying.

I never said the actual groups were fair, I said the pools were fair. You also have to think about it from the perspective of the teams from group B. The groups were already released, and now one of them would be switched to a harder group due to the community/fans, not the actual players, whining about it. That wouldn't be fair to that said team. Riot could have just made the groups based off seeding, but that is hard to do objectively due to all the regions having a different amount of teams. Making the pools and drawing the way they did was the only way to make it objectively fair for all regions. There was 1 unlucky draw and the community thinks they should be able to whine and be listened to, and not even think about the other parties involved.

There's no shot they change the groups. This would set a precedence that all the community has to do is whine relentlessly to get what they want. Honestly, they aren't even that bad. The pools they made are 100% fair. Just an unlucky draw that made group A what it is. This was bound to happen.

Its prolly the two groups that would be playing in the second day of the quarter finals, therefore all teams will have a day to prepare.

Unless they changed it again. In their first format update, they said they were able to change the format from a 4 team playoff to a 8 team playoff without having the end of group play and start of playoffs on the same day. They said this was possible by eliminating group finals.

you clearly have not been following along my friend. First playoff match is NOT on the same day as the last group game

There is absolutely no shot they change the groups

Either way I hope 100T gets a good group

Ya maybe, my guess would be tmrw or Friday

Plus, Riot said last week in their tweet about the format change, that there would be a further update about the format this week

You dont need to be in Berlin to be able to prep

Doesnt Derke only play sova on bind?

The bracket for iceland were known by the teams well before it was made public

Ya the cons definitely out weigh the pros. 6-man rosters tend to be complicated enough, especially for the players. You never really want that kind of internal competition, at least imo.

Ya I havent watched any of their games so dont now how well they're utilizing the 7-man lineup. I think we all know how complicated even a 6-man lineup can be, so highly doubt this 7-man one will last past champions.

CR eneded up with all them players cus they couldnt drop more than 2 from their original roster without loosing vct points.

CR eneded up with all them players cus they couldnt drop more than 2 from their original roster without loosing vct points.

hahahahahahahahahaha

Theres always gonna be one of the middle seeds (2-3) between EMEA and NA that get the harder group. If VS gets moved too 100T group, which alot of people are predicting, than NA #2 seed (100T) has a harder bracket than NA #3 seed (NV).

What are you saying? That you think all the 4th seeds will be in the same group

Why you say that? I was curious why Riot said that 2 EMEA teams will potentially be in the same group?

wtf man posted a month old clip LOL

Why is this man still at the compound!?!? Someone tell him LCQ not till October, and their fate is in the hand of NAs competent teams.
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I think he was talking about the whole challenger playoffs, not just the finals. At least I hope he was and wasn't making a judgement based on a seeding game

I watched what I think was the first time Mixwell played viper where he absolutely carried. Not sure who it was against, think it was FNC since it was a bind game, but he had the best timings with his late lurks, great utility, and was winning all his duels. But I dont think Tenz or Asuna will ever play non duelist roles, and prolly shouldn't. Some duelist just cant play other roles, literally its who they are as a player/fits their playstyle. I haven't watched G2 that much, so I could be wrong, but I always felt that Mixwell was more of a passive duelist, which isn't bad. But like I said earlier he just always came across to me as a great support player, and I mean that in a good way. But def dont count on seeing Tenz play a non duelists. He only plays duelist but is able to still offer his team flexibility by being able to play 4 of the 5 duelist at a top level.

Gotcha, def a valid opinion. Your right I prolly should have done past 60 days since that covers after his role switch. Ill check em now. And most duelists prolly wouldn't perform, to they're current standards, outside the duelists role. That's why I kind of feel like Mixwell should have never played the primary duelist role, and as were finding out now, is way better as a strong support player.

Kryptix not even A tier

So you put him #1 since he gave up his comfort pick. That doesn't make him #1 that makes him smart. He knew G2 wouldn't amount to anything if he stayed playing Jett. Sick plays just as many agents and has a slightly better ACS and KD over the past 90 days. Sicks clutch percentage is also 25% over the past 90 days were Mixwells is 10%.

They clearly need a competent igl, this has been their issue all year. No other replacement will solve their issues long term.

Just saw the update, Im glad they did this and props to riot for listening to the feedback, rather aggressive feedback LOL

Did they change the format? At first it was just the top team from each group that advances

Sentinels will most likely have G2 (EMEAs 4th seed) in theyre group. Whoever loses this match will most likely be 100t group

Acend lose one game, a seeding match at that, and now EU needs a superteam. LOL

How does one get such bad information?

Dude, I would bet everything I have that 1 of the 4 EMEA teams will at least take a map of Sentinels. This isn't Iceland, the competition is way better

Very, very well said

its not people just have no brains and couldnt figure out what would happen with the circuit point slots in NA, since Sen already qualed to champions through circuit points. Obvi if Sen wins Berlin, the next two teams with the highest circuit points (100t and NV) would take the circuit point slots. For some reason theres people who couldnt figure that out. Whatever region wins berlin gets an extra slot an champions

prolly 2nd, EMEA 1 will prolly be rewarded with not having an NA team in their group

the group is double