well afaik, mibr, lev and kru

kinda wish there were more places for them to play, ngl

I still kinda feel like an open circuit with a lot of events and bundle sales is great as well

since after franchising started:
nrg needed chet to take a pay cut to afford demon1 and ethan
eg literally disbanded the entire champs roster cuz they didn't want to pay them
mibr spent the money from vct on CS
loud are now struggling finanically
sentinels needed 3.8million in cash injections
c9 are working on a budget
100t nadeshot says that they would not enter esports if they started from scratch
7/10 american franchised teams having some sorta financial problem is wild

I have thought of tier 2 starting earlier for top 4 of each stage in tier 2 to attend the tier 1 league. (making it a 16 team league for that split).

well that just disables the whole point of franchising. I think that riot took a look at american sport leagues before making franchising, closed league (limited to 12 teams) with 10 of them being constant.

well franchising with relegation isn't franchising, it's just a league format like football (the european one). I feel like Ascension format as an event good, the problem I have is that the teams which didn't make it have no incentive to stick around.

I feel like the biggest problem people have with tier 1 is the fact that next year you can have one team go 0-11 and the other go 5-6 yet the one getting booted is the 5-6 one. That's the main issue. While some teams NEED to get results every year, teams like mibr can just suck dicks for 4 years without any threat of getting booted

racism is over bros :(

MIBR and FURIA do not get themselves bud, I doubt they got me

true, but kinda sad that I, as a fellow racist, who likes to see teams of one nationality/ one language winning has no teams to cheer for (except for Turkiye)

but what's the point of having an org which is supposed to represent spain have no spanish players?

No fucking way, did it give brazil a champs slot?

"we are in this together" ahh vibe

Tell me who finished 9th 10th and 11th last year in Americas please

Which is my personal issue with the entire tier 2. Your tier 1 stay is short term, your players will get easily poached by higher salaries and a permanent slot

Well they kinda have to act before it's too late

I guess riot just wants everything controlled by them. Which might screw the entire tier 2 scene

well yeah, if you have less teams your talent is more condensed

but then I just don't understand who riot deems worth it to be in franchising thru ascension then. the fact that last year ascension got two big orgs in bleed and g2 is once in a lifetime, this year features apeks (decent org, not as big as navi/fnatic/heretics/liquid tho), 2game (small) in emea and americas

someone, steal all the money from EG HQ, NA needs a big spender

honestly a valid idea, having 5 teams with great talent is better than having 6 with decent talent

honestly it's great you expected this, but you got your hopes too high

I still feel like those TOs would want a bigger share of the revenue, hosting for a region is way smaller than hosting globally.

nismo back to his business, bcj probably in tier 2 for a year/content creating

Did you really expect an internet rivalry be resolved without slurs and stereotypes? Like hoping that there are no injuries in a street brawl

but that makes 0 sense for me. So by this logic there needs to be plenty of big orgs in tier 2, spending their money year in year out just to be in franchising for 1 year guaranteed? What about that whole ''anyone can make it to vct'' narrative? Going from premier and into franchsing? Premier team will not have the funding

give m80 their old logo back, that shit slapped

but the OP parried the cringy name of G2 by saying they have a cool logo. That's just my point.

I feel like it somewhat defeats the purpose of tier 2, no? just having orgs pick up teams for short term deals, if you make it, we finance you , if you don't, bye bye

GGsssssssss

cuz Moist collabed with a real org, Shopify, who are quite big afaik

it's minimalistic af, if we talk about logos and their quality and we shit talk ''low quality logos', how do we allow loud, this is literally a triangle. Or sen, or NRG which just says NRG, or navi which is just the name NAVI inside of a black recktangle.

well an eye for an eye makes the world blind. Those guys were retarded for making fun of sad fans, but that doesn't mean you have to lower yourself there as well

I mean it isn't profitable imo, just fun to do as a source of content. I ve seen one guy in CS attempt a content creator org(not huge, but fairly decent), basically when they entered tier 2 they needed bookies to pay for 95% of the org.

but why the fuck do we talk about the quality of logos when there are orgs in franchising whose orgs are minimalistic af.

not the first one, but due to him being the best player on the best br team of all time most players picked it up. like most UA kids i see now have 2S1 as their steam group in CS (stands for 2nd s1mple)

I don't see anyone else coming tho. I still feel like it's a huge ass minus to work with

on the topic of logos, there is this team called LOUD whose logo is a fucking TRIANGLE

question is if there even will be orgs at ascension in a few years

would be sad to see yet another org leave the tier 2 scene. Out of the 8 stage 2 teams in NA
M80 - might be leaving
oxygen - died
Blinn - Collegiate
SaD - really really really small org
Fluffy - not a big org
DarkZero - already parted ways with their roster
TSM - likely staying
MxS - staying

snus adjustment mb? but nervous tics are a funny thing to observe, some people start blinking like crazy, some people bite their nails, others might scratch their forehead

Text version immediately cuz no X in Brazil afaik
M80
@M80gg
Our VCT Ascension run ends here.

Thank you for the many hours, dedication, and effort that was put in by our amazing players and coaching staff for the M80 VALORANT program.

Thank you to all the fans for your support throughout the entire season and for always showing love. 🖤
Might be my imperfect english, but that 2nd sentence sounds a bit like saying goodbye, or like questioning the entire program existing

I would doubt m80 as an org staying rn

cuz they are the ones who lost

dois jogos coming

idk, sorry :(

well cuz when you win, you are happy and boasting, when you lose, you are sad. Depends on the culture generally. Like brazilians are the loudest to celebrate and absent when losing

dunno, tried reloading the browser?

press M just in case :)