S0m is a better smokes player OVERALL was my point, Not just Omen, until TenZ is playing Brim, Viper, Harbor, Clove, and Astra. Its gonna stay that way, TenZ is a better player mechanically who can play Omen.

Its like saying Leaf is the best KJ in the world because he's an ex duelist who puts up insane numbers and has good value from playing KJ because thats his role on the team now.

yea ik, i was just listing others for the hell of it

leaving out Yay, Jingg, F0rsaken, and Derke just to name a few others on that level

I said SEN as a team overall was shit post reykjavik 2021, Good enough to get to Berlin and Champs, but didn't do much meaningful there, 2022 missed everything, 2023 missed everything and went out first at Lock/in (to FNC which is understandable, so thats not rlly fair to judge too hard)

All I said was s0m is a better smokes player, Tenz is better mechanically so he can frag out better, and has done consistently for years, even on bad SEN teams, its the same case with s0m on NRG through various roles. Don't think its very hypocritical to say that its a team game?

The Crashies and Mako disrespect is crazy, both were top 5 in their roles for 3 years straight and only have struggled as of recently. Can't really call them frauds when they've been historically good for more than half to one season of their careers like most of this list

Better smokes player yes, the horde didn't like that comment apparently, sure tenz switched to the most duelist like controller (pre clove) and was able to put up numbers. That's to be expected.

Everyone talking about how Tenz has trophies forgets that it's a team game. SEN wasn't shit post Reykjavik up until Madrid. NRG as an org historically also hasn't been shit so the statement isn't fair to make about trophies as that doesn't reflect the agent choices

Average SEN cringe fanboys moment

thats not even bait.

C9 would be dogshit without oxy.

sad but true

Demon1 chose to take a break, thats why he was benched.

ik the c9 flair isn't talking, 2nd most nepotism org after TS.

Also pretty sure this core has the same synergy and historically better than clown9

I wouldn't put Ethan back on IGL, he even said he doesn't want to, if FNS does leave he wants to stream, not coach, getting an actual dedicated IGL would be nice, I doubt Valyn leaves G2, that core has stuck together and been successful.

I agree with most of the roster ideas but getting an actual IGL in that position is what would be important, someone like Zander, Mitch, Flyuh, Stellar would be a better option than moving Ethan into that role, keeping him on flex over someone like n4rrate would be better

loool

Could be an L move but we'll see how KRU finish

I'm honestly torn over this match cus G2 is my 2nd fav team and been glad to see them doing well even with NRGs struggles, but i think ik who im rooting for at this point

Franchise Orgs have a 4 year contract that will be up for renew/reevaluation in 2027. So say an org like EG collapses (due to the state theyre in, just an example) the slot will be replaced with another org, same could be said with Furia, MIBR, other orgs in other regions who didn't seem to put effort into investing

Yes

what ranks are we talking about or is this just unrated casual comms?

Thats true, I'm not really agreeing with the silver statement, I was just saying that they fell off pretty soon after Berlin.

I will say prime Optic only ever really was losing to teams like Gambit and prime LOUD outside of a few one off games.

I seem to recall Gambit falling off (mainly due to the conflict and losing the org support) and missing all of the 2022 LANs

as #7 pointed out, just do a VN/HK/TW/PH and a MY/SG/TH/ID split of the leagues if you're gonna merge, close enough together and theres still enough talent depth rather than gutting most leagues.

OCE and SA are still too large by this too.

RIP APAC T2

who said shit about Yay and DSG other than you, lmao

I'm not blaming Ardiis specifically for those, he just wasn't coming as advertised like how he was performing on FPX in 2022, that could be a system thing but even now all of NAVI are underperforming to what their history would indicate. That roster of NRG across the board just underperformed, Tokyo was a good run but everyone shit the bed against cgrs. BLG was on everyone, they all lost to whzy judge.

Sage wall incident was pretty funny but yeah they lost that game awhile before that.

good person but washed player

Ardiis massively underformed on NRG, whether he was a EU double agent or just not synergizing, everyone on that team did go on the record to say alot went wrong that wasn't just him and that it was only gonna be a roster for that season.

Ethan while not being a historically fragging out duelist he's been a consistent support player across multiple teams, plus he's played with at the time, s0m and FNS back on NRG 2022 and CS with FNS. Atleast in the context of this split, in the prior split we signed Demon1 to replace Ardiis, not Ethan.

AMER: NRG/G2
APAC: GenG/PRX
EMEA: Navi
CN: FPX/TEC

NA specifically, not all of americas i think he meant

him and pa1nt are listed as stand ins for todays game, so i doubt theyll stay active on the roster once rich and palla are available

I'd like to hope so, some y'all made us the most hated flair on the site

theres alot more of them, ignore the few baiters we have, just like how it is with SEN

I've been an NRG org supporter since 2021 and theres been plenty of other cool supporters besides me

hopefully its a banger game and is competitive, hopium for a 2-1. Win or lose I wanna see NRG show improvement

lmaoooooo

Realistically I just wanna see an improvement on what they looked like last split, America's is so close in terms of teams to where there's no clear cut top teams beyond 100T and even then going into split 2 they might not even remain on top. If we can make playoffs and champs (hopium)

So basically my expectations are just for them to look better and hopefully be a top 3-5+ in americas

Wait was TTR signed by DarkZero?

edit: nvm just seen it, good for them, lets go DZ bdog

wild how i tabbed into the EMEA stream during navi and th and thats literally what i heard first from pansy to steel, and im like oh this is just classic pansy atp. but what #2 and #4 said

I think with the new buff it could be possible to see victor neon again, whether or not he's still good on it is wait and see. I don't think he'll be Miniboo level but its not out of the question

not bad comp ideas tbh

Even then I doubt they'd play worlds but never say never, would kill for a metal band to play an esports event

there was quite a few before him, idk i pop into the site time to time, i swear i used to be one of like 3 fans pre franchising on this site and then with the optic core roster and us doing good we got alot of fans on here and then thats when the baiters pop up.

its cus a few baiters ruined the rep of the NRG fans, cus they overhyped and instigated alot of issues.

0/8

Still alot of time before the match and honestly can go either way now that s0m and FNS are back

Happy for Pacific to finally get a trophy

JonahP has been consistently good the entire time their core has existed? Braindead post

Wouldn't say a fluke, definitely unexpected, they surprised a lot of people getting as far as they did although yeah they crumbled when it mattered.

TFU and SWJS series are goated

same with GTA but star wars games back in the day were peak

lezduit

his favorite team is m3c

This match gonna have 100T GenG or PRX going home which is wild

between PRX GENG and 100T tbh

1 easy