You might be the most braindead and biased person ever lmao, being "competitive" in EU is miles off of success in the actual game. By your logic ZETA was also competitive in 2023, getting 5th-6th in the league and then being top 4 by the end of the year and qualifying to champs.

also you must be baiting cuz you should know that GUILD is considered the 3rd best team of Copenhagen

Once again we are talking about SUCCESS and not PERFORMANCE, for someone who literally typed out this prompt I would think you would know what you're trying to argue about. Not hypotheticals made by coping EMEA fans.

only lost to FPX and PRX at Copenhagen

Then how come FPX (China) isn't higher on this list? Or why isn't trace on this list either if we're going to consider "losing to the finalists"

And how is 2023 Americas League included in tokyo??? lmao you make absolutely ZERO SENSE LOLLLLL. Atp you're gonna make the argument that america leauge is included in champs too because they qualified off of that.

Stop glazing Masters 1 EU, it wasn't even a LAN it was a regional battle lmao winning stop saying that shit it's the same as 100T fans glazing first strike.

Also if you wanna get THAT technical
2023 AMER league 3rd place >>> top 4 EU in stage 2 2022
2nd Tokyo >>>>>>>>> 5th-8th Berlin
1st at champs 2023 >= 1st at champs 2021 (since we are talking about success)

It's funny because bro didn't even try when it came to typing out EG's success in 2023

Also please let me know how ZETA is below guild? ZETA made 4 times the amount of LANs that Guild did and placed top 3 while Guild bombed out of playoffs?

Yeah and how do they win? because of your bias? lmao you gave zero valid points on how acend is more successful than EG except straight up glaze

The way that you're undermining EG's Tokyo and Champs success and glazing Acend is ACTUALLY CRAZY LMAOO. You make it seem like Acend's 5th-8th place success is anything good compared to EG's Tokyo success.

ACEND had a good performance in Stage 2 2022

Now you're just contradicting yourself when you yourself said "all time success" and not "performance" LMAOOOO

Nice edit lmao

This list is so EMEA biased lmao, FPX at 6 when they won trophy, got 2 4th places, and then fell off the hardest out of any team? And don't even get me started on acend at 10, made 2 LANs and then was never seen again lmao.

GMB, GENG, arguably PRX and EG are all over them lmao.

cyro the better aimer but can't play raze if his life depended on it so just zekken over him

1. 6fingers (debatable but took BOOM who was a mid team and turned them into one of the best + dos9 scouting was godly)
2. Termi
3. Solo (adding suggest to the roster is the only reason he isn't over termi)
4. Ewok
5. Autumn (just based off what people said of him before + the meteor stuff not to clear but its t1)
6. SilKanoN
7. Frost (somehow keke man moved up after finally getting full thai roster, but lowk would be better if the coaches were thai too)
8. XQQ
9. Alecks (please just remove j0ngg bro)
10. DFM coaches (don't know which one is main)
11. Meow (TS keke)
12. Juv3nile (yall know why)

Americas would lowk be hella scary if MIBR, G2, KRU, and C9 (if they keep this form up), keep the same roster alongside this SEN roster. If s0m goes to SEN then I imagine FNS becomes a content creator too would be perfect.

Yes and no ig, yes in the terms that it was map 5 and they were on the verge of a reverse comeback and down 11-3 and they cameback against the home crowd. But then again if you look at the game it was mostly just LOUD selling and aspas falling asleep (like the alfa clutch was really just luck that both of them decided to peek and line up there, like if aspas goes faster then there's a more likely chance alfa dies).

When was I suggesting anything?? I just said if they nerfed them it would ruin executes and retakes and as someone else said fakes too.

And people weren't glazing sato and hating on victor?

You do realize that basically half the smokes in this game are from a refresh timer? or the fact that teams will literally just sit out main waiting for a breach stun or tejo salvos to recharge before hitting a site?

EDG losing in group stage ain't even something special atp but yeah nova looking good probably can do some damage if they don't get nervous

Not really bao just looked really lost on holding sites and lurking too and then the rest of the team went triple 7s

everyone blaming victor while sato bottom fragged and went 6/14 in fk/fd 😔😔 alongside bao going -13

reactionary andys out here

chet fucking sold that team comp tho map 3 what was that

No because if they nerf it a lot when you do a site execute or retake and it doesn't work then you don't have util anymore so you just save

Minipoo is lowk locking in this year he might get his miniboo status back

For Chinese players gotta be Biank, took two different Chinese teams to playoffs in champs

Yeah I know I'm talking about chet

Or just drop j0ngg and s0mething and get vera and let patmen flex duelist and initiator

bro mixed up bao and victor 💔💔

Weren't you guys feining at flor going positive against boomer1 and n0vi?

There's at least 2 sneaks on this list but I can't figure out who

Meteor
Chichoo
Karon
Oxy
Cortezia

Casual playerbase is already in shambles, t2 scene is getting worse by the day, viewership isn't growing as much as it did the previous years. And yes the competitive scene does have a major impact on valorant, the only reason why one of the biggest viewer regions (Japan) is even interested in the game is because of ZETA's 2022 Iceland run and China's interest in the game with EDG's 2023 run alongside BLG's champs run too.

Argentina org having no Argentina players 💔💔

benjy? have you seen his stats? nAts lowk might be up there and chronicle ain't even a sentinel main

No that's just any region if you insult their teams and rage bait them

SEN vs 100T ahh match history

It's 100% not her fault you can't control diseases so the poster is just high on something but yeah he was probably in a lot of stress because of what was happening which made him play the game less and made him worse but no blame to his gf.

I never even stated that a region having one good team means the rest of the region is good, for EMEA I literally said that they all aren't doing good and their good team isn't even looking good anymore. And for China I literally said that the reason they are 3rd is because the rest of the teams are looking hella good now. Don't know where you pulled that argument out of tho.

Legit what you EMEA fans were saying about VIT and EMEA during Bangkok but it's all good. Also that just goes to show you don't even know about the improvement Chinese teams have been making

Your comment is even more biased as hell lmao I'm not even biased towards Americas either so your point is just wrong. There's no shot that you can make an argument that MIBR, G2, or C9 wouldn't beat your best teams like VIT or FNC, oh wait G2 already did, https://www.vlr.gg/449009/team-vitality-vs-g2-esports-champions-tour-2025-masters-bangkok-ubsf

Still don't get your "Chinese team not named edg" argument when you can literally watch the streams of the other Chinese teams as they have gotten way better and look better than most of the middle pack of EMEA

Trace also played against the 2 grand finalists and top 2 in the world right now and TL only beat SEN who was throwing that tourney.

Also would you really say with a straight face that EMEA doesn't have the most bottom feeding teams of any region?

Just talking about currently and how they would do at a LAN, EMEA is so broken rn its lowk crazy like if they stayed the same I doubt anyone would rank them to be in the grand finals at Toronto or even make it out of swiss.

1. Americas (pretty self-explanatory, g2, MIBR, c9 somehow, and kru, (SEN too if they lock in) all look hella good and could do a lot of damage in a LAN. Only really has F0ria and sometimes LEV holding them down (LOUD is alright but they just love throwing lmao).
2. Pacific (Championship level teams, t1, DRX when they don't throw, BOOM somehow is locking tf in, also has NS, GENG, RRQ, Talon sometimes. Americas is only over them because they have pooperex, DFM, GE, and ZETA.)
3. China (Has EDG. Rest of the teams are catching up too and doing good, BLG, XLG, NOVA, Wolves, DRG, Trace if they stop selling. Lower than the rest just because the level of skill hasn't caught all the way up and then there's Tyloo and all gluers.)
4. EMEA (Right now EMEA just horrible, "championship level team" getting diffed by Boaster and crashies, TH throwing maps once again (but at least they win), TL somehow got worse. FNC looking okay again tho but what can you really do at a LAN if boaster doesn't have a life game again. And then you have the bottom feeder teams like k0i, ap0ks, n0vi, gi0ntX, and KC if they don't lock in.)

Your championship level team just got beat by a team that consists of boaster and crashies lmao, TH got fucking dogged on by lulquid, lulquid then got fucking dogged on by m8, you have k0i, ap0ks, n0vi (hasn't won a game in over 9 months before the ap0ks game), gi0ntx, and so many more. You're region consists of "championship level teams" not even being able to beat regional mid teams anymore and shit ass low level teams that most chinese teams could probably beat.

You have crashies (wasn't even good in Americas and was one of the worst players on NRG AND is second calling on FNC), koalanoob (lost ascension TWICE), and flore (GC Americas player), in the top 15 ACS wise in your region really shows a lot about the level of skill you guys have. Alongside that, BOASTER OUT OF ALL PEOPLE IS RANKED IN THE TOP 10 IN YOUR SHIT ASS REGION THE SAME GUY WHO BARELY WENT POSITIVE EVERY YEAR PRIOR LOLLLL.

Remind me when's the last time you guys won a trophy?

https://www.vlr.gg/378829/edward-gaming-vs-team-heretics-valorant-champions-2024-gf

?

also who got fully eliminated first at bangkok?

EMEA as a region is the weakest out of them all + vit literally js made roster changes, putting them at 4 over other teams is crazy. FNC wouldn't even get double digits against teams like DRX

FNC in the top 5 lmao this isn't 2023 anymore and 2 EMEA teams too?

subbing out mindfreak for patmen was not the play lmao if they lose this then they are going to be too scared to try and use patmen again

funny how after crashies joined FNC and helped with the calling boaster the guy who was probably one of the worst aimers in the world is now popping off while FNS dropped him like fodder and is still ass

That's why I said you only need to keep 3/5 and changes can be made if the team does bad at kickoff which is exactly the case for 2g

I don't think you know how esports work, if riot themselves holds back on spending money into developing a good structure in their esports then orgs and sponsors aren't going to invest lmao. Tier 2 orgs like DarkZero have no reason to stay around after the season is over and orgs themselves have no reason to actually build a roster, just pick up the best team at the time like Rankers and hope it works out. The difference between Valorant Esports and a game that riot actually invests in like League is night and day.

It's called an investment, dropping more money now to make more from viewership and sponsors later on.

GC gets exponentially less views than tier 1 and tier 2 yet having the same prize pool of a kickoff masters event and 5 times the amount of a region's ascension prize pool. Taking away from GC and focusing more on tier 2 is going to help the scene more, having more funding and more prize pools makes players and more importantly orgs, more incentivized to actually compete it in.

Also the entire idea of GC is to let women/other people besides men develop talent so they can go into tier 1 and tier 2, not stay in the same place for years on end because its 100 times better funded than tier 2/tier 1. This idea lets GC players be more incentivized to actually get and foster the talent to join tier 2 and tier 1 teams, if they don't they can still play in GC with a still pretty big prize pool. And unless you make the prize pool for ascension the same as GC champs then why would teams like G2 Gozen or SRG have any incentive to play in that instead of GC?

Since changes are going to be made and you're so ass at fixing the competitive scene (at least with t2) I thought I would help you out a little, just some of my ideas.

VCT Fixes

• Ascension winning teams must retain at least 3/5 players from their ascension winning roster, this way it gives the people who actually won ascension a shot at playing in tier 1, however if the team underperforms at kickoff they are allowed to make any changes with the team.
• Dropped players will get a 6 month grace period where riot themselves will pay the league minimum (5k a month) until they find another team, only applies to players who have played at least 2 matches with the team and are not a sub.
• If possible, lower the age restriction to 16, there are many ways to bypass the child labor laws throughout the world especially for esports/sports in general but it's still difficult to do so.

Challengers Fixes

• Get rid of SOOP from Sea
• Double the current prize pools throughout all of the challenger league events, this way it gives players who cannot compete in VCT (because of this stupid ass age restriction) a place to actually earn some cash.
• Include tournaments where the top teams from each region will play each other before the actual ascension event (like EMEA), these will help teams that start off strong but might dip down a bit still qualify for ascension (maybe like championship points for challengers in the Americas at least and maybe pacific).
• Orgless teams in Tier 2 will be given a pretty small salary by riot themselves (maybe like 1k a month or something nothing big) just to help encourage and grow the scene so people are more incentified to actually play in tier 2 even without an org

GC Fixes

• Halve the prize money at GC champs, no shot the GC prize pool is the same as a first masters event, use this money to help build tier 2. And for the people who don't think this is a good idea, the entire idea of GC is to help foster talent for people to get into tier 2/tier 1, not to stay in GC because the money is already better than tier 2.