Acend won masters 1 earlier that year

Gambit won 2 masters
Sen won 2 masters
Acend won a masters and a champs

I think regional dominance should be put into consideration as well. EDG has to be above FPX. Same goes for Fnatic

we should also consider placement regionally

acend won masters and champs that year

I mean there's a reason why Sen is the 4th seed and had to qualify by points. Clearly they aren't in form and clearly the underdogs.

How doesnt it count? They got the gun buddy for it and riot literally calls it a masters.

Now every member from Vision strikers Masters 1 winning roster is gone from DRX. I guess they still have Glow as the coach. But great to see DRX back at champs for the 4th year in a row.

really sens fault for being 4th seed. No one would be complaining if 100t was in that position

Why do Sen fans disrespect GenG. People view them as equally successful because they both won Masters or even that Sen is better because they beat them in madrid finals. However wouldnt the team that came 2nd and 1st at the international tournaments be better than the team that came 1st and DNQ.

but each round in the playoffs count as a champs point too

doesn't this loud 100t game matter? If 100T wins then they have the same champs points as Sen. Also if Sen loses to G2, Sen and 100T be tied in champs points and face off in Playoffs.

what about the brazilian and latin teams

How i believe the roles should work for PRX. I feel like sentinels don't suit PRX playstyle anyways and when they were at their peak before they rarely played sentinels anyways. i feel like the greatest weakness in PRX is jingggs agent pool and a little bit of somethings. I think they should have a 3 man rotation of f0rsaken/something/jinggg playing duelist and initiator. while f0saken plays the occasional harbor when d4v4i is needed on skye and vice versa with f0saken on initiator and when d4v4i is needed on viper. I think the one agent that can turn this team around is jinggg learning sova. first of all i feel that many raze players already excel on sova due the utility damage aspect of the character as seen as players like sinatraa and zekken in the past on xset. second i believe this will fill the biggest gap for jinggg because he will be able to play neon/raze on small maps and sova on larger maps. finally this will help the team on their weakest map breeze, i know breeze is leaving the pool but what i mean is some of their biggest weakness are larger maps such as icebox. I think this team will excel in a single duelist 2 initiator 2 controller comp. Or even a single duelist 3 initiator 1 controller comp. As well as GenGs breeze comp using yoru as an initiator and double controller.

mindfreak - has done great as main controller and can be paired with d4v4i or forsakens wall smokes or even play solo viper.

d4v4i - skye/viper/kj if needed

something - Jett/ initiator ( has played gekko and experimented with fade and breach in the past)

f0rsaken - flash initiators/yoru/ harbor

jinggg - raze/neon/ try and learn sova and other initiators

champs 2023 was the best PRX we've seen so far due to a couple of facts.

a map pool that suits them

raze and skye being good which suits them

on the other hand i feel that shanghai was one of the weakest PRX in a while due to raze nerf and breeze. I also feel that certain maps currently require sova and PRX doesnt have a stand out sova player. something picking up gekko this year gave me hope for the team. i believe now with breeze back out of the map pool and jinggg experimenting with more characters, they may eventually win a tourney in the right meta for them. we dont know what the abyss meta will be like however i doubt prx will be that good at that map but hopefully they can adapt to the next meta (or play very good anti meta comps)

i do think jinggg is an issue for the team currently despite being my favorite player. He has only shown real comfort on raze, sage, and reyna in the past. I believe his neon has potential and i dislike the clove attempt. we never know tenz turned his carreer around this year playing omen.

i want a judge or odin

i remember they were good at it during the chamber meta and i pretty sure they did decent on it against SEN during the off season (with jinggg playing)

too early to say. I agree GenG had the best map pool in shanghai and Madrid, but this new map pool is a real toss up. The removal of breeze really nerfs GenG and highkey buffs PRX

the won LCQ though and were dominate in game changers

envy merged with optic. it was still envy when they were optic. But I feel like everyone forgets that their true kryptonite is that x10c/xerxia roster

https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/Camden%23Daddy/overview

probably the lowest headshot percentage immortal

Literally yes. I never said the skill in GC was greater. I said they are tier 1. All my analogies implied that skill doesn't equal the tier of competition. When I said when a D2 college beats a D1 colleges doesn't make the d2 college d1. When I said although the NBA has more skill, the olympics is still a higher tier of competition. This thread is asking if mel is tier 1. I just said shes already in tier 1

How am i proving your point. Skill does not equal tier of competition. NBA more skill full and a national league. olympics less skillful but higher tier of competition.

But thats my arguement. Skill doesn't determine the Tier of competition. NBA is not pseudo international. N stands for national.

Heres another analogy. Although the NBA has more skill than those who play in the olympics. The NBA is still a regional league just like ascension league whereas the olympics is an international league like GC. The olympics is higher tier achievement than the nba.

Why mention that men play against men in olympics vs the NBA. what does that change for esports

how am i 0-6 when all these players performed very differently in both leagues

What about rossy

Wdym. Are you saying women can’t compete against men in an esport???

GC isn’t just for women

How have they proven to roll through GC competition? Bob played in both leagues.

success in one league doesn't necessarily determine success in the next league such as N4rrate and Johnqt. BCJ and scewface are world champion in Tier 1 but are both struggling in tier 2.

So in the NBA theres a tier 2 league called the G league and some G league teams can probably beat many piss poor countries international teams at the olympics. We wouldn't say the G league is better than the olympics

this point makes no sense. There are plenty of GC players that are radiant. Youre assuming that high rank in valorant competitive mode makes good pros. How is GC not a higher tier than valorant ascension league when they get way more peak viewers

So in the NBA theres a tier 2 league called the G league and some G league teams can probably beat many piss poor countries international teams at the olympics. We wouldn't say the G league is better than the olympics

So in the NBA theres a tier 2 league called the G league and some G league teams can probably beat many piss poor countries international teams at the olympics. We wouldn't say the G league is better than the olympics

They play better is not an arguement. Plus there's no evidence of them playing better. For example is a division 2 college team beats a D1 college it doesn't make the d2 college d1. They are still D2

ascension league doesnt even have an international lan

It has to be higher than the ascension league since the game changers league actually has international lans, while ascension at most has a regional Lan. Riot recognizes the game changers championship with a buddy and title in game just like every other international lan.

Shes already in tier 1

There is no such thing as a franchised league though. VCT is the same series that they play from the beginning of the game. These are the same orgs that are partnered with riot so they are franchised.

Isn't Game changers already considered tier 1. Since it has to be higher than the ascension league since the game changers league actually has international lans, while ascension at most has a regional Lan. Riot recognizes the game changers championship with a buddy and title in game just like every other international lan.

technically shouldnt game changers be higher than ascension league, Since ascension only has regional Lans while game changers has international lans. Also right actually recognizes their win in game changers giving them a buddy and title just like any other international lan

But what about
EG GC
TL brazil
G2 Gozen

When Shahzam won 2 masters he was fragging pretty hard on jett and sova

Muchkin was the highest rated player on his team when he won his first masters.

G2 with the success in game changers and VCT
Maybe EG and Liquid

Medium Pen is very strong on the vandal because there is zero damage drop off for the distance, making the vandal the best gun to wall bang at distance.

How are the LCQ winners chokers

He's a world champion

he can do astra on every map. Oxy is statistically better on raze than jett. so oxy would probably shift to a jawgemo/or asuna type role needing to learn omen or other initiators. while demon1 can play his same agent pool of jett/astra/ brim but hopefully being able to add gekko

i personally dont think its split between flash and info. main initiator is the initiator that will help take space. Every map is different. skye and breach can be main initiator on some maps over fade and sova. I generally dont think gekko and kayo are ever the main initiators.

since we are in a double controller meta we often see a single initiator

on double initiator maps we often see the flash initiator sometimes swapped for yoru who can also gather info

also due to strength of kj and cypher info gathering its not really that black and white.

not every map runs 2 initiator

not every map even runs flashes

usually main initiator is info