i think of it more as they shouldnt of made it that far bc of the keydstar stuff

Um they shouldve lost to keyd stars in groups. Riot made them replay the game with a 7-0 lead

I wholeheartedly believe that acend shouldnt of even made playoffs that tournament. Keydstars shoudlve beat them

I dont think talon was a fluke but got lucky in the draws. RRQ got very unlucky. Kru was also not a fluke

Kru 2021 was really not a fluke they almost beat gambit also

I beat the :3 in premier last season in Elite 5 or at least cait and her premier team. Wanted the vod and asked her in her stream but it was sub only to see the vod

The most consistent team at international events happens to be TH with an average placement of 3.8 while GENG and EDG have a similar average placement at 4.5 and 4.6. So does GENG's average placement of 0.1 better makes up the difference between a champions vs a masters trophy?

lmao i said the opposite

IDK how they are mid "all year" if they had the most champions points. 1/5 teams to qualify for all 3 lans. The only team to qualify as the 1st seed at all 3 lans. Finally 1/3 teams to win one the lans

Okay so the main argument i hear against EDG is that they didn't perform internationally, however GENG had an average placement of 4.5 place while EDG had a slightly worse placement of 4.6. TH had the best at 3.8.

So with this information added to information already provided on how they are the best regionally and internationally only behind Th and slightly behind GENG. Dont you think that since EDG won the most important tournament and their average placement is 0.1 different from GENG that you would have to give the edge to EDG on the international stage?

I don’t get how this statement is any less political than mine. GenG literally got in trouble for saying something like this.

refer to #106

So since you bring up the olympics. What makes the 100m in the olympics any different from the 100m at the world athletics championship. They are the same race right with the same athletes competing just like champions vs masters. The difference is the prestige that we set to it also the frequency. Valorant champions is 100% more prestige and has only happened 4 times vs the 17 masters tournaments. Olympics happen every 4 years and the world athletic championships happen every 2 years

Just use 2023 EG for team USA. I know in the VCT jawgemo isn't labeled as an import so he definitely has US citizenship but I guess they might loose apoth and reformed

Where did my ukraine comment go?

Where did my messages go lol?

Where did all my messages about Taiwan being China go?

so if we average out the placements GENG had 4.5, EDG had 4.6, TH had 3.8 would you say TH had the best overall year?

so if we average out GenG international placings we get 4.5 and if we average out EDG placings they are slightly behind at 4.6 but TH would average 3.8. So would you say that TH is the best team of 2024?

Everyone keeps saying international consistancy but if you average GENG's placings with EDG placings they are almost the same. TH has the most "consistent placement" so are they the best team of 2024?

what are you saying im not talking about random orgs money I'm talking about the prize pool which is literally what determines the difference between an S tier tournament and a B tier tournament

are you pulling the 4 extra teams from the 3rd seeds or circuit point qualifiers bc that can be TH or SEN. Champs it takes more games to win the tourney than masters.

yea first lan winners not first masters winners

im an immortal with previous fps experience. I think you should abuse 3 stacks. You can 3 stack all the way until youre immortal. It will help so much. Also like someone else already said you can abuse 5 stacks. A good strategy is to 5 stack at 0 rr or when youre a few rr away from ranking up.

buzz and derke?

Mazino oh wait maybe not

kru, fnatic, drx are the front runners i believe

sen won back to back masters

won 2021 stage 1 and 2

well i dont think if sen was the first masters winners. they all happened on march 21st so id assume korea or japan or asia won it first

https://www.vlr.gg/search/?q=masters+stage+1&type=all

Edward better Generation

marved/poised

i would definitely say aspas and derke are good at raze but i somewhat agree with your definition of a good duelist but i believe it can go both ways. I believe many raze players also suck at jett and its hard to call them a great duelist

idk what to tell you its literally called masters and each winner received masters titles and gun buddies

but like regardless of commentator mistakes saadhak proudly still uses the masters gun buddy he receives

could be im not saying hes not the goat im just saying he's not the only one with a masters and champs

no they are literally masters. remember when gambit rebranded to m3c, it stood for masters 3 champions. this is masters 1

riot does

he's not entire 2021 acend roster and saadhak

https://www.vlr.gg/event/338/champions-tour-brazil-stage-1-masters

https://www.vlr.gg/event/334/champions-tour-europe-stage-1-masters

he is not the only player to win champs and masters

you can say the same thing for winning masters its literally giving champs points for qualification for champs. In which edg had the most points

so i dont get your arguement. You basically say that masters = champs but china region < every other region. Youre downplaying EDGs achievements. The reality of the situation is champs > masters > all regionals

idk how you believe that the VCT valorant champions tour has a masters equal to a champions. masters winners literally award champions points in which EDG still had the most of. Theres 17 masters winners and 4 champions winners. Do you think that the nbas mid season tournament is equivalent to the nba championship or msi is equal to worlds?

how is saying china doesnt count even a point?

well throughout the whole year their are 6 tournaments. obviously they didnt win all 6 tournaments thoughout the year so at some points they weren't the best. If we look at the overall year they've definitely achieved the most by winning the most titles. just remember 3 regionals < 2 masters < 1 champs. im taking the 2024 team that won 3 regionals and 1 champs over a 1 masters 2 regionals team

well obviously their not the best team throughout the whole year or else they wouldve won all 6 tournaments but overall 2024 theyve had the best year

because you have the title of "world champions" you can literally call yourselves the best in the world. 17 teams have won a masters and 4 teams have won a champions

regardless of the money champs is still way more important than master. Riot themselves say EDG are the world champions when they won while when GenG and Sen won masters they just say masters winners. so we refer to how 3 regionals < 2 masters < 1 champs. We are comparing a team with all 3 regionals and 1 champs to a team with 1 masters and 2 regionals. You are arguing the placement of EDG and GENG at the other international tournaments so i use prize awarded by riot to determine the worth of each placement. EDG placed at all 3 international tournaments totaling a grand total prize pool winnings over any other team

because in esports the prize pool determine the tier of tournament it is. Thats what makes regionals less than masters and masters less than champions

well if you dont care about map pools in this current map pool id side with EDG champs form over GENG in shanghai form but without breeze and split.

Idk how you can compare a master win to a champs win bc a second place at champs give you more money than either 1st place masters win

but EDG won the most prize money when totaling all 3 international lans