I think if Viper got killed, we will go back to the double initiator meta we had for almost 3 years :/
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I think if Viper got killed, we will go back to the double initiator meta we had for almost 3 years :/
What if your duelist don't entry on your smokes ?
I'm not sure losing the versatility in your duo, is worth the marginal gain picking double controller instead of something else. (Especially if you have to sacrifice your info initiator)
I'm sad they are no ares in it, maybe that because of unluck but everytime a good battlepass is release ares seem to not be a part of it :/
But except that it's an ok battlepass (Sometime I think the best battlepass where the first one, with Tronlike skins)
She is OP on 2 maps out of the 10 maps (Because those maps are bad and need a rework, Viper is a symptom of this), and unplayable on every other because she need another controller to be usefull, and you won't have 2 controllers in your ranked game. (If you have 1 controller, it's already a miracle)
Thats everytime the problem with agent's balance team. They don't target the rank where they need a nerf. They balance for the proplay by doing nerf that will affect soloQ but may not affect proplay, I can't believe how dumb this is.
The worst example of that was then infamous 5.07 patchnote. We were in a situation where initiator flasher were unplayable in soloQ, and strong as fuck in proplay, while it was the contrary for duelflash... And what they did ? They gave "More identity" to agent by nerfing the possibility for an initiator to pick on their own flash making them even more impossible to play in soloQ, while they up duelflash making them event stronger in soloQ...
The solution would have been "Make every flash equal" or "nerfing initiator in pro only, and uping duelist in pro only" so no flasher is unplayable in ranked or in proplay and vice versa, but they made the oposite.
"IT BASICALLY KILLS VIPER AS A SOLO CONTROLLER ON MOST MAPS, while not really affecting her ability to work as a secondary controller"
If that is true that mean even more double controller on the game. But the change has been made to nerf double controller. Pretty ironic.
That remind me when Raze nerf as almost killed Neon on Fracture
The funniest thing would be to do the opposite 2023 run :
It should have change.
Mapool was changing every 4 mounth, and on the worst mapool ever... nope : It's 6 month.
The next rotation will probably be in 2 months, it may or may not be available for next champions.
Reveal content 1 mouth before it release ? Riot never do that... we are lucky if they make announce 2 week before. But that not unpossible, especially if they release the map midact (And make the 2 weeks of the soloNewMapQueue during the 2 last week of act instead of during the 2 first week of a new act)
Maybe thats the reason they are a teaser for a new map in this battlepass, they want to release the map midact, but I start having some doubt :/
It's been 8 mouth, but it won't be release tomorrow, it will be release in 2 months
This impression is because it get release riiiight after Shanghai and we had 5 mouth with nothing, so it's recent.
No change and that make me mad...
Especially after teasing a new map in the battlepass.
10 FUCKING mouth, without a new map... How that's possible Riot ?! 6 month on the worst mapool ever if we used to stay 4 months on the same mapool ?
Considering the timing it makes no sense at all, they could have released the map now, pro would have 6 week to train it on stage 2, and it wouldn't be that weird to have pro. Now... When are they gonna release it ? If they release it next act, in July, that would mean pro will probably have to play the same mapool on stage 2 and even on champions (changing right before champ would be dum) on the same horrible mapool, it will be the first time in Valorant history that we keep the same mapool during a full VCT season... ON THE WORST MAPOOL
I hope they release it midact like Clove, but I really don't believe it might happen.
I can't wait S4 this season is exausting by some weird choice (At least this year we have suspens)
You don't get point for regular saison, you gain point for seed #4 at champ
I agree it's not THAT bad that people think, the format got really some great idea, the Stage 1 / Stage 2 was a really elegant solution for make a single round robin and a master in the middle, every game in stage 1 count for the whole year and thats really nice, (Compared to LoL where the spring doesnt count that mush), and the fact stage 2 is a full round-robin is totally fair.
But format has some problem that Riot can solve next year, the fact it's possible to not go to to master after doing 5-1 is a problem, sure other team performed better, but a distant fight is less entertaining, and less fair than a direct fight, maybe your only loss was just be for calendar reason (you get beaten by a team that was trash early in the tournament but litterally explodes at the end, and sadly you played them last), but that could be easily solve by starting with intra group first. Kickoff format was also a huge joke.
By dream format for the future would be :
With that kind of format, you can even consider relegate non-franchised team at the end of every T2 tournament
Can Kru make the reverse scenario of last year ? Not loosing a single game in regular season, then loose every single game in playoffs, But still qualify to champions because of point and winning it ?
It is, and that's may mean how bad NA team are good to detect promising rookie :/
Sorry bro I prefer intraword than crossword It's more balanced for the state of words
Can we please just take in account the card are reshuffled in almost every region, and it's nearly impossible to know who is the best team or region right now ? We can bark on every team or region right now, but the true it's for... Maybe the first time in Valorant history, they are something like... 20 teams that can win Champion. EMEA got fucking 9 teams with 1 win gap, Am is also really stacked especially alpha, and top 3 in omega may be strong when they play intragroup, and APAC got at least 3 teams that are consistent and that was in the past not that far winning an international event, even China, they still look shaky but on LoL they progressed really fast (But I think it's too early for this year... Except if everyone is washed, as a lot of people seems to think). Can we please enjoy that and just admit we know nothing, being excited about every event and game making us mush closer from the truth.
This year is already amazing, please enjoy it.
In that case he have to pick him, you cant not pick an agent just because your star player is afraid to play his main. Now it make start to feel he is as dumb as me not playing my favorite agent (Viper) because I'm afraid to loose with her and not keeping my positive ratio on her in normal game (I don't do ranked)
If that's true what he need now is a mental coach, he cant perform with that low esteem of himself
Really ? Thats kinda interesting, why ?
If they really loose Lotus, this guy has all the right in the world to do the biggest mental breakdown in the world...
Erratum on the fact he might be the reason why Chamber isnt picked
What is fun is that even if they win everything now, 4-1 might not be enough to qualify in playoffs, :/
Please Riot, start with intra group next year to solve that kind of problem
What would be the funniest ? GenG breaking Apac curse in Shanghai in front of mad Chinese that had censor them, or China winning in Shangai (And winning a trophy before Apac) ?
It's a de facto state, but even Taiwan government doesn't consider themself as independent state (They just consider they own all mainland China IIRC)
I love the slot repartition, and I really love how almost every 4 major league have the same amount of people in it :
Every region should have roughly the same size and every region should have the same number of slot regardless of their performance (If not that will create a snowball effect, best region will have more international experience and become stronger, and we all love the fact that every region can win Valo)
Maybe one day Africa, Middle-East, South Asia will have a sufficient PC culture to become a T1 region on their own (And this day I hope they will have the same amount of spot of the other T1 region despite being trash for the moment), but while that's not the case, the distribution is perfect. Maybe in 50 years when population of Asean will boom and China-Korea-Japan will demographically collapse, we will have to redraw Asian border and have and move China, Korea and Japan team in the same region (East Asia, as in GC), and letting more spot to Asean, but for the moment this is perfect as it is.
"According to a researche [sic] at Cambridge University, it doesn't matter in what order the letters in a word are, the only importent [sic] thing is that the first and last letter be at the right place. The rest can be a total mess and you can still read it without problem. This is because the human mind does not read every letter by itself but the word as a whole."
That's probably why you though intragroup before crossgroup, because that would have to make sense, and your brain has reorder the schedule to have the schedule make sense. :C
2 group.
I really like the idea to have a playoff in the middle of single round robin to go to MidMasters. But I really don't understand why start with crossgroup BEFORE intragroup, it would make so mush sense to do the countrary. Imagine if every Alpha team endup in 6-0 ? Does that mean you can not be qualified even if you end up being 6-0 ?
The format would be so neat and make so mush more sense if we start with intragroup before crossgroup, that would mean team that compete for the same spot splays against each other adding more stakes to one game. Pllus with intragroup frist we are sure we have a fair rank inside the group where team got some loose before getting eliminated.
Really I really see no reason why doing crossgroup before intragroup, do you guys have an idea why ?
Yup the main shaky point is the transition between 2022 and 2023 that make region predictable or unpredictable, in 2024 even if they have a huge turnover in 2024 for Gen, it's still the same structure, so we already know in 2023 that the structure wasnt a bad structure and if they try to upgrade the roster we can trust.
It's a little bit the hammer theory, if you have a hammer and change the sleeve it's still the same hammer, and if you change the stone the next year it's still the same hammer even if they are nothing in common with the hammer you had at the beggening of the year, if you keep the roster but change the structure it's still the same continuity so we are able to predict, if next year you keep the structure but change big part of the roster it's still somewhat predictable.
Because that the same team since 2021 :
PRX --> PRX
Secret --> Bren
Talon --> X10/Xerxia
DRX --> Vision Striker
Zeta --> Zeta
Gen.G --> More or less O2S
RRQ --> Mix BOOM/ONIC
T1 --> New
Global --> New
DFM --> New (But now CR whish is historically one of the 2 best JP team)
Bleed --> Kinda reshuffle but still same org
So it's easier to predict than in EU where they are a lot of change every year.
I fear that if the name of this thread are right, it's gonna be 3 FNC win X.X
But your enthusiasm is still a good thing, I suppose. I believe next year will be better with 2 year for stabilization after the great shuffle.
TBH I don't have a lot of trust for EMEA after last year. How a team that couldn't do better than a top 6 un Turkey in Split 1 2022 (Ok they won Split 2 and finals, but theyre where no stake in Split 2 and they where not that dominant), could be able to qualify to world ? Did they just step up insanely during Split 2 ? Or did EMEA great shuffle just make the region downgrade for at least a year ?
I'm trying to do a timeline in every region, and :
So I don't know if it's this lack of stability, but I'm not sure that we are ready to compete with the top except obviously Fnc and maybe Navi/TL if they are in a good mood. (And obviously I hope i'm wrong and EU will be stacked ad fuck, with all those change maybe it will not be that bad.)
Can you send sources please ? If what you say is true VLR really need it (Because without evidence it sounds a little bit like Copium but if that's true that will make change people mind a lot.)
Why do we start stage 1 with a cross group format instead of intra-group format ? That make absolutely no sense, that mean at the end of stage 1 we can have 5 teams that end with 6-0 and 2 of them won't go to playoff. (Or maybe they are something I don't understand something)
It won't happen, but that could be the first time in history that a team can be eliminated without loosing any game.
You probably count 13-7 as 7-13 thats why you have a mean of 12-12
It worked perfectly last week, but this week Tracker.gg doesn't update the Premier ranking, anyone know what is happening ?
Isn't harbor ? With 100% of his kit except ult being smokes ?
I think you may not be that underpopulated, after all Oceania is bigger than MYSG !
What kind of help would you want ?
Hello all,
If you wonder how many team they are in every Premier contenders region and their relation with T2 region, I made stat for this (At the end of the 3rd map, after 4th map some region may have a little bit more team). To me it's an interesting stat because it gives us some demographics data. Usually it's 1 server = 1 premier league = T2 region, but they are some exceptions :
MENA (Keep in mind that all those servers are close from each other, and in Europe almost everyone speak english meaning they are a lot of team that didn't hire player based on country or native language and those team tend to play in a more central server like Frankfurt for exemple, this is why this stats are way less interesting than stat in pacific and americas) :
Americas :
APAC :
Because Premier Asia is a huge mess I think i'll do a post about where did I locate every team in every T2 scene so if I have mistake people could correct me (Will probably do that next week, with a list of team that are already qualified)
Thanks !
If you have sources I gladly take it ^-^
If I understand correctly, winner of playin will go against winner of group A except if winner of playin is the 2nd of group A, right ?
So in that Scenario:
Your stats are correct if the pairing is random but didn't they say it wasn't the case ?
Yup thats also a possibility where Sentinels gets indirectly get nerf by Skye's nerf, Dive/Vip/Smoke mandatory and then Vision+Flash (Even duelflash)
Skye Nerf = Now we may need 2 initiators instead of one, and since they are some map where you can play 0 sentinels (Bind and Split), and you might need a Diver+Viper+Smoke, you can have a situation where Skye and the Sentinel, get replaced by Fade/Breach.
That's why I feel Skye nerf = Indirect Sentinel nerf (the class, not the team), it's not a huge nerf obviously, but still a small one.
The problem is they are no pauses betweeen tournament, not the number of pro game IMO
4 games per stages if you are in the group of 5, so if you are bad and unlucky you will do 2 game in the Lockin, 4 games in split 1, and 4 game in split 2. so a total of 10 Bo in the year. For a comparison, in master Copenhagen 2022, FPX made 9 BO.
Interesting POV but I kinda disagree with that, in League of Legends it's a curse, nobody care about T2 NA scene (Because it's the same proximity as tier 1) and they have a lot of issue finding new player (they import a lot), if you compare with EU, they are a lot of team and plenty more of occasion to new player to blossom, and people enjoy T2 because they have a sense of proximity.
It's a little bit different for Valorant because since T1 NA doesn't exist, so T2 NA might a little bit fill the gap, but still, not having enough spot in T2 might be a long term problem for new player because not enough possibility to prove themself, plus more T2 have proximity, more people can care about it and create rivalries, for exemple France vs Spain rivalries is a huge thing, and I'm sure a West coast - East coast rivalry could be an amazing thing in Valorant.
Maybe a compromise would be to have West group, East group, but mixed playoffs ?
Also, do you think next year we will be 2 groups of 6, or one unique group or 8 or 10 ?
Hello, this year premier mode will be the way to qualify in Tier 2 scene, and every region except NA got "One Premier zone = at least 1 challenger league" (It's almost 1 zone = league, except of IBIT [Iberia-Italia], and "Asia" [Asean+'System2China']), the only exception is America have 2 zones West and East, (both zone feature Chicago and Dallas), but only 1 challenger league. If you count every team in Premier Contenders the biggest region have around 30 teams in contenders, only Asia got 54 (but it's a supraregion that have 6 T2 league, so that mean they have basically 9 team per T2 league, so that doesn't really count), LAN got 42 (Maybe one day Central America and Bolivarian states will be split in 2), and NA got 65 ! (42 in east, 20 in west, maybe east should split into Northern/Southern)
So NA is currently by far the biggest tier 2 region, and is already split in two groups of 6, but because every T2 scene got the same number of spot they dont have more ascension team than other american region (If you consider Latam being only one region, but I admit they a weird in an in-between status). To me having 2 group split with no identity is kinda weird, and I would rather see 2 distinct leagues (NAW-NAE) that will both have 2 slots in ascension and letting LAN/LAS have both 2 more team in ascention, so every ascension in every region would have 10 teams. If Riot plan to split NA this year, that would also explain why we have no info about T2 NA yet (At least I didn't find any, it has no liquipedia page yet), it's because a it's a process that take time, and they are potentially still doing a selection for the 2 leagues. Another weird fact is that last year they were 12 NA team, but during the relegation tournament, no team from T3 where allowed, the tournament only feature 4 bottom NA team and 2 of them where drop out, meaning for 2024 it would probably have 10 teams like in France or Spain, maybe they were considering to have only one group for 2024 ? What is even more weird is that on VLR page, some teams are voided only 4 team are announced, even if 10 teams were planned at the end of last year, (M80, Oxy, MoistxShopify, Turtle), what happened to the 6 other ? Well of course the Guard got promoted, G2 kinda disband after they acquire TGRD sport, Moist-Shopify fused (even if some ex Mogul seems to stay and maybe they are finding a new sponsor or brand and stay next year), but what about TSM, FaZe and ORE ? Are they disbanding ? Changing sponsor ? But even if thoo 4 are here, that mean only 8 team planned this year. Because of this year instability, they are many possibilities and maybe it's the occasion for Riot to change T2 NA for the future
So what are the possibility I can think of for this year (And I'm not even sure Riot have 100% choose yet, explaining why they are no announce) :
What possibility do you think it's the more realist for next year ?
Do you think Riot plan to separate NA in two also in challenger league ?
Do you wish they split NA in 2 ?
If they split, how many slots do you think every region of America will have ?
Would you like a Southern US Premier for 2025 to make West/East more balance ?
This is an extract of my database where I put all T1 games, the extract show only champions. the right colon is 1 for a victory and 0 for a defeat. The 2 first lign are the first game, the lign 3 and 4 are the 2nd game etc.
As you can see the composition is :
6 7W DRX SPL Raze Vipe Skye Kjoy Omen 1
9 7W LOUD SPL Raze Brea Skye Kjoy Astr 0
20 7W NAVI SPL Raze Jett Skye Cyph Omen 1
23 7W DRX SPL Raze Vipe Skye Kjoy Omen 0
26 7W NRG SPL Raze Vipe Skye Jett Astr 0
28 7W BLG SPL Raze Vipe Skye Cyph Omen 1
37 7W PPR SPL Raze Vipe Skye Jett Astr 1
39 7W KRU SPL Raze Vipe Skye Cham Astr 0
41 7W EDG SPL Raze Vipe Skye Jett Astr 0
44 7W GIA SPL Raze Brea Skye Cyph Omen 1
52 7W TL SPL Raze Vipe Skye Jett Astr 0
54 7W LOUD SPL Raze Brea Skye Kjoy Astr 1
81 7W EDG SPL Raze Vipe Skye Jett Astr 1
83 7W GIA SPL Raze Brea Skye Cyph Omen 0
101 7W EG SPL Raze Vipe Skye Cham Astr 0
104 7W EDG SPL Raze Vipe Skye Jett Astr 1
107 7W FNC SPL Raze Brea Skye Cyph Omen 1
109 7W FUT SPL Jett Vipe Skye Kayo Omen 0
112 7W BLG SPL Raze Vipe Skye Cyph Omen 1
115 7W EDG SPL Raze Vipe Skye Jett Astr 0
118 7W LOUD SPL Raze Brea Skye Kjoy Astr 1
121 7W PPR SPL Raze Vipe Skye Jett Astr 0
129 7W DRX SPL Raze Vipe Skye Kjoy Omen 0
132 7W FNC SPL Raze Brea Skye Cyph Omen 1
145 7W FNC SPL Raze Brea Skye Cyph Omen 0
148 7W LOUD SPL Raze Brea Skye Kjoy Astr 1
154 7W EG SPL Raze Vipe Skye Cham Astr 0
159 7W LOUD SPL Raze Brea Skye Kjoy Astr 1
161 7W PPR SPL Raze Vipe Skye Jett Astr 0
165 7W EG SPL Raze Vipe Skye Jett Astr 1
I can't wait to see if they will create a VCT China, or maybe expand APAC