yeah and mada arguably has the most potential out of all of them. Especially if you look at the fact that he was the only who has shown to be a consistent top tier player in tier 1 valorant before (on LG). Even though that was in 2020-2021, he was considered to be the best raze in NA (which being good at flexing other agents) for some time and he clearly has shown to have the potential to be able to replicate that same success in tier 1 currently. He just needs to be given a chance.

I just heard people say that out of everyone in tier 2 NA val, he has the most potential to replace a tier 1 duelist which is true. Also, judging off one game is dumb, I can pick one of Aspas worst games and make it seem like he's ass when in reality we know he's a top duelist.

Bro must be taking to ghosts cause I have not seen one post where someone said allat

On the one game he's been playing bad too either this is miraculous timing or bro was just waiting to say sum dumb shit😭

In an international tournament, Sacy. He has way more experience in that stage compared to N4rrate who has only been to one and dropped out after three games. In terms of potential, n4rrate > sacy for sure tho.

You're shitting on marvel so you might be lowkey valid

If you are going to compare like this. Then Imo it would be

Demon1 >= Yay (debatable which one was better as they both were frag demons, but if we are only looking at their primes, I would say Demon1 edges it out due to being more flexible and playing astra, chamber, brim, and jett while yay was permanently on chamber and jett duty)
Boostio = FNS (FNS > as an IGL but Boostio is an infinitely better fragger)
Crashies > C0m
Victor < Jawg
(You are seriously underrating how important c0m and vic were to their respective teams when they were both in their prime. They were all considered to be one of the best in their role when their team was in their prime)
Marved = Ethan
Potter > Chet

I guess we will never know, so there's no point going over what never happened/can happen. They both played in different metas after all. It's literally eye-test vs eye-test, so we can't say and debate about which team is better than the other with facts. I respect your opinion, I just think that from the times that I watched them, EG 2023 looked more impressive than Loud 2022 (and def Optic 2022).

If PRX get a trophy, it would be funny seeing how vlr reacts since not many people like the players or fanbase these days lol

Imo only Loud 2022 has an argument. And I think EG 2023 edges it out. No way a 2022 team that didn't win champions (optic) is better than EG who won champs when the competition was even harder.

did he stutter?

Heyyyyy, you had a Sen flair like a few days ago. You cheeky little bastard.

Forsaken

Underrated imo

so sigma...

You didn't watch primmie drop 200 kills on Aspas? shame on you.

Stellar, Aspas, Laz, Pancada, and Mindfreak

In no particular order

yeah I wish I read #44 before making the reply.

That's fair, thanks for answering the question. I wish she at least tried to file a police report, but I digress. I guess we will never know if he was a SA or not which kind of fucking sucks. No one was able to get their justice.

Really? With a case as big as this and involving SA, you would work with RIOT? If there was one thing Sinatraa did right in this, it's not choosing to work with Riot over an SA case and only choosing to work with actual law enforcement.

Can she not bring the full audio clip or text messages to the police? She had evidence right, a lot of it was posted on twitter.

Never said that all people who make these accusations online are lying. I just said I don't think I would've done the same thing, but I'm NOT judging her for doing so.

Sinatraa is a piece of shit, but we don't know if he's a rapist and there was much more of a chance to convict him (especially with the evidence she posted on twitter) if she at least attempted to cooperate with the police (apparently she didn't even try to file a report).

Yeah, the one part I can agree on is that it did ruin his Competitive career. Thing is, he didn't get punished by the law at all, still has a sizeable fan base, and is still making money streaming to this day. Not much of a punishment if you ask me, if Sinatraa was a rapist, I would say that he got off scott-free in comparison to the consequences he should of received.

Not to mention the trauma it caused to the person who accused Sinatraa. It didn't work out for either party imo.

he chose to cooperate with police, not Riot I believe (I wouldn't trust RIot either imo)

Riot did NOT like that at all lol and the rest is history

I thought he cooperated with the police and not riot, but I could be tripping

What's bringing it to twitter going to do? There's going to be people taking both sides (especially since Sinatraa is a popular streamer) and all it will do is cause both parties to be harassed. Settling this shit in private is what I would do, but if some people believe that taking the matter to the hell that is twitter is better then that's there choice and I don't think it's wrong, it's just not what I would do. As I said before, I can't judge because I haven't been in a SA victim's shoes before.

If we are talking about what I would want personally if I was wronged/SA I would want that person in prison ASAP. And there would be no better way than settling that matter with the police.

But everyone deals with situations like these differently so maybe some people do believe bringing it on twitter is the best way their abuser can get punished. I'm not in any position to judge.

that's true, I'm just saying regardless, twitter is one of the worst places to do it

Some may call me ignorant, but I'm genuinely just asking here. If people have proof that someone did something criminal, why don't they just take it to the police instead of trying to make that person face justice on twitter of all places?

honestly valid, sometimes it's just more fun to watch the shit then actually do the shit urself i feel that

bro goes on vlr just to hate on shit I aspire to be like u one day bro🙏

she aint worth it bro get freaky with me instead 👅

the apology i mean

internet explorer moment

jk yeah, basically it was a mistranslation and the people who mistranslated the shit apologized (not like it's worth much)

i'm sure people like BulkyLettuce get paid

How else could vlr survive without all the beautiful baits?💖

i was just addressing the taking the situation way too seriously part, I agree that there's no point in retweeting the same shit that DRX has prob seen a gazillion times. Probably hurts them more than it helps.

people who send death threats and harass you are fucking losers and can burn in hell. Good on you for taking responsibility even after receiving so much hate, W response genuinely. Good luck where ever you go.

mfer this was a child rape accusation, aint nothing small about that

dub in my book

he should get with me instead

I can cook, I can clean, and I don't slander other peeps

When butterfly effect caused a butterfly effect throughout the vlr community I felt butterflies in my stomach as the effect of his words were everywhere. Butterfly effect truly butterflied all over the place with his effect.

something she's not the one vro💔

get out while you still can my glorious king

People are saying he should be forgiven because he's a good person who made a stupid mistake. And I'm sure that's true. But this isn't just any mistake, this is someone else's reputation and career. Most of the time, slander never completely goes away and when that slander is about something like child rape, well, it's obvious how serious this mistake really is. Also, when people act like he was completely neutral and wasn't trying to push a narrative, I can't help but chuckle. When he reached out to the accuser I felt like he was doing way too much. That kind of made me think he was doing this for the attention rather than trying to inform people.

However, he only played a part, the main perpetrators are the ones who mistranslated this shit in the first place and I feel like sometimes people forget that and place too much of the blame on Butterfly.

To be honest, I can't believe that people are still saying he did nothing wrong. He's not the main guy to blame, but he def contributed to the defamation of Flashback. If someone posted news saying I engaged in child rape when I did nothing of the sort, I would be enraged; these weren't small accusations these statements are life-changing. Information is power and you must handle it responsibly, Butterfly did not do so.

Dang how are u addicted to vlr shit is more stale than stale bread

main blame def goes to the people who mistranslated this shit in the first place. Butterfly did try to do too much and he does deserve some fault for that, but in the end of the day I'm sure he thought he was helping people by getting this news out there.

Edgerunners

Inspire
I don't give af that he's not tier 1 that name is horrible

never had more than 0.2FKFDR in a tournament

LOWEST FDPR REYNA IN VCT 2024:
J0NGG WITH .04

LOWEST FDPR RAZE IN VCT 2024 APAC:
J0NGG WITH .12

LOWEST FDPR PHX IN VCT 2024:
J0NGG WITH .05

LOWEST FDPR NEON IN VCT 2024:
J0NGG WITH .11

LOWEST FDPR JETT IN VCT 2024:
J0NGG WITH .12

goat duelist for sure bro not a baiter at all

I beat my meat in a cup

For the opinion part, that's not what I'm talking about. Some of the posts, you can tell he was trying to push a narrative. Whether it was to help people get more info or gain attention we will never know. for example, he said "judging by the original thread, said player was not behaving nice and was most likely forceful" and a person replied to that saying "there is literally a numbered list of everything he did, not once did it mention him being forceful". The tone in some of his messages insinuated that the allegations were true when there was no evidence.

People are saying butterfly just made an accidental mistake and that is most likely true. It just doesn't take away from the damage his thread caused.

Oh yeah, forgot to mention he reached out to the accuser. He was just trying to do too much imo and it backfired immensely.

why hate the player then? How does that benefit anybody especially when jingg seems like a nice guy.

I don't hate butterfly and while he does take some of the blame, most of it is to the guy who mistranslated it in the first place. Addressing ur points:

1. Fair
2. Not entirely true, if you look back on the posts of that thread, his own opinions on the matter were clear and it showed in his replies.
3. I would say it's about equal. He def knew that what he posted was going to be big on vlr and that people were going to attack the person that was being accused regardless of whether there were conclusive facts or not. He should have the common sense to understand that doing so would bring more unwarranted attention to a player that possibly didn't commit the crime he was accused off and imo that was a very big fuck up on his part.

My third point kind of goes into addressing your last part, if no one knew what actually happened, he shouldn't have posted anything in the first place. And at the very least, shouldn't have continued replying and making it seem like it was the next big scandal of Valorant. Saying he didn't cause any harm to both Flashback's reputation and career would be false, he's just not the main guy at fault.

I do agree some people are going way too far though.