wow interesting, can't wait to see it

gotta be boaster

uh oh

chronicle
mako (igl)
aspas
johnqt
chichoo

have faith in demon1 (KOI)

bro is the allat warrior

wait its a real team? I thought it was just some randoms

https://i.imgur.com/LYMWlsv.png

I have been validated

americas then pacific would be the most optimised route

we got ping spoofing in valorant before gta VI

yeah you're right. The purpose of that was to just get the point across that if they want money they probably can get money (to invest)

let's say 8 franchised and 4 Premier then, yeah 20 is a lot I only meant to use it as an example for the 1:3 ratio

rumours are aspas is looking to leave LEV. Whenever LEV was playing bad aspas was still doing pretty good, so the general thought is that if LEV have a bad game, they won't have aspas to save them. Now ofc aspas leaving single handily won't make LEV bad but he was certainly a big part of their success this year

considering how much his buyout is, and seeing as how liquid don't seem to want him I think NA is most likely. (if he doesn't stay on FNC(cope))

EDG
FPX

TH
FNC
(yeah boring picks for EMEA ik)

DRX
TLN (home crowd hopium)

G2
KRU

fr send me a bil while they're at it

imo mixed but mostly franchised.
Say 20 teams in a region 5 are non franchise slots (i.e. its a Premier team who's slot expires, an org outside of the franchised ones could pick them up, but there would be limitations, just as there is with ascension teams in t1 right now)

https://i.imgur.com/b3QHMBf.png somewhere from here is ideal

imo

1. Get money somehow
2. Create a franchised (not partnered) league, having buying and selling slots and allat.
3. Tier 2 orgs can make money by developing tier 2 players and selling them to tier 1 teams.
4. Make orgs pick up teams from a pool of qualified Premier teams, they cannot make changes for an X amount of time

You can still have ascension, but this would mean that it's not the only incentive for orgs.
Give them 3 LANs, two mid season LANs (with decent prize pools) and Ascension. The regular season can still be online.
This is basically kicking the can down the road, but I think with how nicely they've handled tier 3 (premier) this is actually feasible.

The main drawback to this is representation of regions, but I think at some points you just have to make sacrifices, the current system is just too decentralised and doesn't work imo.

'young' might be misleading mb
what I mean is fresh talent, cracked players straight from tier 2

some of these might contradict each other, and if one happened maybe some others couldn't happen but I still wanted to see them

• M3C win against liquid in 22 LCQ, might've meant they'd stick together (unlikely due to franchising now that I think about it). At the very least would've seen that core play more
• OPTC win against loud at champs GF, I like loud but I gotta see yay with and FNS with a champs trophy at some point, and FNS ain't getting any younger
• FNC win against SEN in Reykjavik, no fraudnatic allegations from 2021-2022
• FNC beat LOUD in the champs rematch (maybe go on to win the whole thing if they don't recycle strats)
• FNC don't draw GENG in Shanghai
• FPX having no visa issues for Masters 1 Reykjavik
• OPTC and ACE making franchising
• TenZ and Sacy winning champs in their last year of competitive play
• NRG don't choke 12-5 against C9, make a deep run in playoffs and hopefully qualify
• PRX win Champs 23 (or Copenhagen)
• TH win Champs 24 (tbh I don't mind this one as much since I'm pretty happy with EDG winning)

what do you wish went differently?

Yeah that's exactly why, I think he has the potential to be pretty good. I would even go as far as to say have him not do mid rounding or igling at all, if he's focusing on aiming I think he's decent

oh wait its in the poll too im blind
if NAVI go for a younger team hiro
if they go for an experienced team suygetsu

but I think they're going for a young team so I'll say hiro

yeah that had me confused too, most likely as you say, they're hoping he goes full igl

honestly depends on the team and their playstyle

igl seems like

is it bad that I wanna see enzo play again

wow

do you know where else scream has been trying out? or is rumoured to?

yes it was and still is
lock in buddy

no way they're cooking
just keep him FAR away from igl

real

allat
also where did ur stars go

Icy is already signed

https://www.vlr.gg/403948/c9-icy-signed

(kanyefan is a FRAUD if he edits)

Give Wingman 2 Nuclear Devices

If they do well and look good you think they won't keep him?
How do you know curry doesn't want to compete? (Serious, if you have a clip of him saying he wants to strictly stream I'll admit it's unlikely)

thai sweet chilli sensations
(might be a uk thing)

Give Wingman 8 Nuclear Devices

This is more of an opinion than a fact.

But I think it's not necessarily people being 'dumb', maybe like 30% gamble for the first time, already knowing the consequences. But the other say 70% of people are victims to their own emotions, usually gambling ads/casinos try and play to peoples emotions, and emotions are inherently irrational. Usually they prey on people already going through tough times, and make people think 'it can't get worse from here, so I might as well gamble since I have nothing to lose'.

I say it's like a 30%-40% chance, curry is good mechanically it just depends on how well he gels with the team and how good his teamplay is now.

maybe 1 move only, since they have curry.
hell maybe curry even moves to the full roster

I've never really gambled and don't plan to. But it's a psychological addiction. It's been shown to have a similar addictive patterns to drugs

they should form their own opinions

proceeds to call him a 'dumb sack of shit' for having his own opinion

It's not wrong to have your opinion be 'innocent until proven guilty'

This is sort of what we're gonna get in 2026, by then all ascension teams will be on the 1 year contracts.

ofc this only applies to non partnered teams, I'd like to see a way for this to happen to them too but it might be unrealistic

imo there has to be an intermediate step where a decent org can pick the team up, this is what I would imagine the ideal path of a player to be:

play in t3 (premier), win premier ---> get picked up by a decent/large org ---> play in tier 2 for 2-3 years, hoping to ascend by the end ---> ascend or retire to give way for new talent (it sucks to have to do that but you have to keep a cycle to allow fresh players to join)

In this system the tier 2 orgs would be partnered, and each season there's a sort of draft for the orgs to pick up premier teams. They could still pick players up the ordinary way by trialling or scouting and such, but this way guarantees that players have a chance in tier 2. I would also give 1 maybe even 2 more LAN tournaments to tier 2 to make it more sustainable. They need something to play for outside of ascension.

This system almost entirely eliminates small orgs, but given how much of a money burner esports is currently I don't think it's wise to have them if you want a long term sustainable t2 ecosystem

Yeah I agree. You get 2nd/3rd/4th place in ascension? your year is over. Then wait 4-6 months (tbf they've improved on this recently) to play again. imo the only real way to fix it is to make tier 2 semi-franchised. Fix the orgs in place and give them some more LANs with crowds, sure it'll cost more but the idea is that orgs will be able to rake in more due to sponsors.

They need to make it so an org can invest in tier 2, and have that org still be profitable (in val) even if they don't ascend. They need to build a league for the many, not just the for the one who will ascend.

I think the way they've handled tier 1 is actually pretty good, maybe as good as it gets (for franchised/partnered leagues). I think the main issue right now is tier 2. It's like an intricate game of Jenga, if the middle doesn't hold up the top will eventually fall

The thing is, is there a way for it to be improved?, like sure maybe you can fix one or two specific problems, but what I mean is, can you fix the tier 2 system as a concept?. The pessimistic side in me just says that an open system like tier 2 is just a flat out unsustainable business model

tbh I think the Premier system is decent, tier 3 and tier 1 are solid but tier 2 has some serious issues which could bring down tier 1 with it