for those who can't see the link
https://imgur.com/S93ujKv

the regional advantage/disadvantage of pearl wasn't something i'd considered, but that's a great point. the map should be removed and reworked, honestly, B site simulator gets old quite quickly

i think Tokyo is gonna be a free win for FNC, not gonna lie. with LOUD's inconsistency, it's hard to say if they're trying new stuff or if they're just off kilter, i think it's more the latter, because tuyz and saadhak have been fragging quite poorly for a bit now which seems to open holes for teams with more consistent players to open wider. NAVI need to rein cned in a bit, he's been inting quite a bit recently, just going for hyper aggro plays, which has led to SUYGETSU not doing as well as he was last year. not necessarily crucial for their success, but that seems to be what flips NAVI between good and great - letting him get in on the action more.

C9 have a chance to beat FNC if they get a great mental coach starting now. otherwise, facing a team with better skill across the board and a great caller, better than LOUD, could just break them. but they didn't break against LOUD, so i'd be curious to see how well they do.

i haven't watched TL closely enough to say if i agree with you or not. how would you rank EMEA currently? even after yesterday I'd still go

1. FNC
2. NAVI
3. Giants
4. FUT
5. TL
6. KOI

not on this forum often enough to hold a consistent debate

regardless, this discussion is pointless. the only point I was debating was your argument that EMEA/APAC had close games between presently high and low seeds due to there being a similar level of team across the regional board. i never made a claim about LOUD - point being, context can be crucial to a conversation, but in this case, I came in to debate you solely on your perspective on EMEA/APAC, not Americas.

if we want to get into that - EMEA>Americas>APAC when it comes to team quality, Americas inconsistent as fuck (NRG and Cloud9 are on the up, LOUD is undefeated but look shaky in every win), EMEA teams are semi-consistent, but top teams seem to show greater consistency (FNC, FUT, Giants before yesterday), APAC... after this morning, I don't know what to think

then stop being so aggressive? do you think you're going to get anywhere in life by aggressively forcing your beliefs on others? it's just distasteful

since you seem like a logical mind, how do you think Americas compares to EMEA? i've watched essentially all of Americas and EMEA because my job is extremely flexible, and from what I've seen, EMEA has a better pool of team than Americas. hell, LOUD isn't even completely consistent - the only team in Americas proving themselves to be consistently improving is C9, and NRG to an extent, but that's a hot topic

FNC, FUT, Giants (except for this match), NAVI (kinda in same spot as LOUD) all look pretty solid

fair point. i would note, though, that pulling stats from one map out of a three map series is not really the best way to prove that point, though. especially when out of those three maps, he doesn't seem to have performed that horribly.

regardless, i see what you were going for now. i appreciate you clarifying

you're the hostile one brother. you're intentionally trying to bait people into arguing with you, stop being weird

no, im asking if you were trying to make the argument he was a bad player, why did you not originally just send his stats for the entire league?

didnt check

...so why did you cherry pick one map to make that argument?

literally cherry picking 1 map out of the hundreds the man has played for why he isn't good LOL

"he refuted my points with logic, and I don't have the intelligence to refute his, so I'm going to ad hoc him and 'win'. got him"

close? it would probably be 2-0, or potentially 2-1 with stomps on split and haven considering how close it is. trent is also switched onto tex's role, net onto trent's, so they're essentially bringing it this close while having a partially different set of roles

and I quote: "Americas other than LOUD is weak"

that is a similar claim but not the same as "LOUD is trying some stuff", so don't try to backtrack on your original claim

i also never claimed anything about LOUD or other Americas teams. I was disputing your points about EMEA/APAC. don't put words in my mouth

all the LOUD stans malding in the twitter dms...

that's when KOI weren't trolling and NAVI were trolling

FNC had a sub, + BBL is good people just don't realize

DRX haven't been as consistently good since adding in Foxy9, and both GE and RRQ have had meteoric rises in form

your arguments are fundamentally flawed brother

a sane VLR user? wtf

lol

he's second highest frag. you need to open your eyes my friend

in what world would he start in Tokyo?

your comment is sarcastic. weird bait, but ok

i just said that they're #1 in americas and #2 in the world. use your brain

#1 americas, #2 world. but they're still inconsistent. watch their gameplay, my friend

just because they're winning doesn't mean that they're consistent... have you actually watched their games? they're still #1 in Americas for sure, but their performance game to game is not consistently the same

because the top teams aren't untouchable, which is the point I was making. KC, BBL, KOI, Heretics all took maps off of top EMEA teams as well - KOI was considered top4 at one point, and BBL have actually looked pretty good, KC look great w/ their ZE1SH stepping in, Heretics... we don't talk about them

what's your point? have you actually watched any of their recent games?

hard truths for VLR cretins to accept

1. fnatic are indeed the best team in the world
2. LOUD are not consistent enough quite yet to prove that they can beat fnatic considering their recent showings. simultaneously, LOUD is clearly experimenting with comps, so who knows what Tokyo will look like?
3. Americas really is not that much more competitive than EMEA anymore. LOUD, C9, FURIA, LEV, SEN, 100T, NRG vs fnatic, NAVI, Giants, FUT, Liquid, Vitality - for both regions, top3 teams are consistent, lower teams have high peaks but are less consistent

you should probably re-evaluate the state of the NA pro scene in VAL then, significantly less nepotism than in CS. combined with the fact that all NA teams are performing better-
SEN
C9
EG
100T
NRG (less than the others), your point makes no sense
also, you're aware that rosters are locked, correct? nepotism inherently cannot exist in a closed system

EG knew what LOUD were doing every single round and had a counter set up for every single round. Demon1 hit some nice shots, as did Ethan, but that definitely was not mainly aim diff

this aint CS. there's a significant amount of pros who grinded their way up from the depths, not really sure what year we're living in here

1. LOUD
2. SEN
3. C9
4. FURIA
5. LEV
6. 100T
7. NRG
8. MIBR
9. EG
10. KRU

bang crouched under it. just good movement

both played well. nt

braindeads in these comments ragging on ardiis because other players adjusted more quickly.
switching from a system where you're setup for success to one where you're now on sentinel/duelist sometimes, with a completely different style of calling, will almost certainly make any player play worse

that's a fantastic insult, stealing that

not even top2 in NA

when did he cheat against LEV?

i'm glad someone else had the same thought. Sacy as IGL could potentially work, but then roles get funky again - zekken on Breach/KAYO, TenZ duelist?

show me "someone who doesn't know how rosters work"!

So many people just praying on his downfall because he was #1 last year, actual freaks. Go accomplish something

rosters are locked. stop complaining

ty

hf is a very skilled player, but he frequently peeks in 5v4 situations and loses the advantage for his team. do you disagree?

the major, rallying a country against the TO because he didn't get what he wanted. and what #26 said

i meant relevant as in having a storied career, one with a large amount of success (whether relative to the world or relative only to Brazil, it doesn't matter)

unfortunately, after what Gaules did, I don't associate good people with him

who is the IGL for ASE?
also hfmi needs to stop fucking overheating this man needs a coach, could be the goat if he gets one

this is a genuine question - is he relevant in the competitive FPS scene? i've never heard of him and have been quite active in CSGO and valorant for the past 10 years

who is MCH?

nah he is that guy, but he played Sage map1, Raze map2, KJ map3... how are you supposed to have a consistent star when all roles are inconsistent?

that's a crazy point... -100+ rounds, new record?

my man is locked into 2021. nats and redgar are not the same as they once were, likely because of the language swap. Jamppi is inconsistent at best, same with soulcas, and Sayf got shat on yesterday. they have quite a few obstacles to surmount, which is doable, but in no world is nats > alfajer, redgar = boaster, or Jamppi = leo
fnatic literally has the #1 igl, #1 initiator, #1-3 duelist, #1 flex, and one of the most skilled sentinel players in the world. welcome to 2023