is EDG a one championship wonder team?

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sawrice

I dont have much of an opinion but I do earnestly believe that the Neon meta is what carried EDG to greatness in champs. EDG literally ran Neon on 4 out of 7 maps in the pool at the time and just rolled everybody with Neon. At the current state of Neon I dont think EDG could do half as well at champs as they did. Also in this new Yoru meta I dont see any player on EDG that is consistently good on yoru. I'd be expecting yoru nerfs after toronto to his ult cost and maybe duration a bit too. Tejo nerfs are also incoming but yeah I dont think EDG is going to do much at toronto assuming they even qualify to it

Edit 1: Ascent was their permaban and they didnt play Neon on that either so 4 out of 6 maps which is a lot

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Relax, KK has never been comfortable on Yoru (he's barely played it).
They're getting Jieni7 to be able to flex onto it so that they're able to run double duelist comps.
The only realistic problem I see is that KK has to learn how to play yoru, otherwise maps like Ascent where double initiator is required (nobody, Jieni7) will be maps that they really struggle on.
And while they did have a good understanding of the Neon meta, it's not like the update came out for China earlier than it did the other teams, they were just the first to capitalise on it.

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EDG is playing double sentinel (Vyse/Deadlock) on Ascent.

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sawrice

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im talking about champs 2024 gang

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And my reply was specifically to the person above, saying they will potentially struggle on Ascent because they are not likely to run double initiator.

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see my argument is that EDG's strat book doesnt seem to be as deep as before. Yes youll see stagnation from teams coming from big runs but throughout Bangkok all I saw from EDG was raw aim diffing by CHICHOO and KK. Aim diffing will work many times againts tactially shallow teams but teams like G2 and T1 can easily capitalize on the mistakes EDG make. Another thing I notice is the PRX like playstyle they have of overextending every single time. Never have I ever seen KK in a 5v4 and him not pushing for more kills. Good teams take advantage of such one dimensional gameplay which makes me concerned

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masters bangkok in general wasn't a very strategically deep tournament due to the nature of it being so early in the season. new meta with both vyse and tejo entering the pool as relevant and strong agents alongside the need to have high firepower this season obviously would result in the top teams being pretty aim diff heavy. that's the reason why G2 and T1 both beat EDG in their rematches. both teams meshed well with their own interpretations of the game respectively around the evolving meta. EDG grew in 2024 after the coaching staff change and leaning into comps that focused on having agents that are individually self reliant. their strats looked so smooth because it flowed well with the rest of the team alongside them understanding how to work around enemy macro both in prep and on the fly. that's probably what muggle and century are trying to go for again: building a generally universal lineup of agents (with a few exceptions) that the players will mesh well into that they can utilize in a free flow way AROUND the meta. not exactly conforming to it

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EDG played some successful antis, like against T1 Split and G2 Fracture. And their Pearl, while could be better, was fine from a game-plan angle, if I remember correctly.

I mean, they apparently had issues, but still. Saying they just aim-diffed other teams is a bit of overreaction to their recent performance, in my opinion. I think you are right about them overheating a lot, but they are also trying new (and sometimes very strange-looking) strats. And at the moment, they are just rebuilding their map-pool with their new member. KK on Neon was obviously a good thing for them but they had a lot of nice setplays and counters in their Champs 2024 run with other agents too, so I am relatively sure that they'll deepen their strat book with time.

Also, I will point out that T1 is not exactly doing too hot right now either. They really coasted the group stage with their superior firepower. Another example of big teams showing some stagnation after big runs?

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for sure, I for one am very concerned looking at T1 and their chances to qualifying but its just that, be it EDG or T1 or any other masters winning team, people believe in them and more than that they believe in themselves. Confidence is half the battle of the game so im sure both teams have it in the bag. Stagnation affects even the best of teams its just that in the old Neon meta EDG seemed to have a chokehold over other teams and thus managed to beat many of them out. Same with T1, when yoru gets nerfed sometime later, T1 wont be as great and they'll also have to evolve and adapt to those changes. I dont think that any team is a 1 championship wonder case in point TenZ and how even though he wasnt at the same level for a few years, he still managed to bring himself back into form with the ever evolving meta. Great conversation man really enjoyed the opinions!

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doesn’t even have to be yoru nerf, a tejo nerf would indirectly nerf yoru because he is the best counter to tejo

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And while they did have a good understanding of the Neon meta

I'm a Heretics fan personally but if you look at the placements, KK was the best neon in the world at the time and Miniboo was the 2nd best

This directly correlates to their champs placement

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I mean a team like heretics only used neon one map so Idk how reliable that is

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Champs was a right meta/right time for them, the current meta and map pool I really don't think they'll be a trophy winner. But it's at least promising that they still managed to get #3 in Bangkok.

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EDG wont do much at toronto, but they already got #3 in bangkok, thats already better than most trophy winners, so not one championship

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this ^

definitely by far most dominate team in group stage proves they can adapt. very worried about new mental tho.

either way EDG is a team of hard workers give them time and they will cook. (prolly not at toronto tho)

but id put them in a top 3 contender for champs this year anyways.

plus double duelist meta seems to suit EDG well. jieni is a shooter and so is kangkang. having 4 shooters on a team and a crackhead igl who also can shoot usually is a good thing

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ermmm actually its 2 because they won worlds

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real most successful riot team

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honestly might have to go to t1

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t1 exist

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derptz

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uhmmm tbf every team is a one champs wonder because of its meta changing every tournament and map pools just like any vct coaches said.

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before split 1 people thought edg had a chance to go back2back and break the champs curse.

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Ronyko23

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EDG is the only rich asf org to win champs.They gonna win more coz their roster is never gonna get worst. They gonna find better player if jieni7 isnt gonna work.So much talent to poach if they want.

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In china we just need time.The teens are waiting for it.

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loapoarg

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Wait till they win stage 1
Wolves will defeat XLG and then lose EDG like kickoff
EDG will againnwin China
They Aura diff the region

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Himari

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If Jieni dont work out they will probs pick up Slowly from Tyloo hes too good to be on that ass team but Jieni can flex onto neon, yoru, breach, deadlock

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every meta change will have a different world champ ... and they did come 3rd last masters .... so its not bad ; yes they dont look good right now; probably wont even make it but they will be back by champs

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Himari

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Nah I think we will make it BLG just rely on Whzy too much and we have 10 more days to fix the maps and comps

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CarnageBTC

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yeah the 10 days are a saving grace .... hope they fix their comps but idk muggle seems clueless sometimes ... what if champs run was actually all blueprints from coach After