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Boaster overrated??? fns better???

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#1
c4rrotstix

saw people call boaster overrated (likely bait, it worked), here's my take on it and comparing FNS vs Boaster and why people shittalk boaster a lot more

One of the major differences between them and why people favor fns vs boaster as an igl is just due to who is around them. Obviously fnatic had the crazy 2023 run, but during that time fnatic had 4/6 best players in the world on one team with boaster, so people will think that he had all the tools to win it all, and was able to do the expected outcome with the player quality on that team.

Obviously boaster and mini were an insane duo together, but the more I look back at fnatic 2024 and see that they had similar results to their 2022 season, with essentailly the same players -leo at champs (hiro is obviously still a good player, but not leo caliber), the more i start to have doubts in his igling specifically. Once mini left the team, we could immediately see how in kickoff their strats were stale and that got heavily exploited, leading to the best team of 2023 with their full roster and no excuses to just miss the first tournament of the year.

Even after that, they did play really well in EMEA regionally, and were able to win both emea splits, which obviously is a testament to how they bounced back, but if we are being real, that really doesn't matter at all once it comes time to play on the international stage, which they bombed out of, even losing to EMEA cohorts. This team again, had no excuses to be playing this badly, and the only difference between 2023 and 2024 at this point was mini leaving, which I think again solidifies either:
A. Boaster's igling was very good, but Mini was what made it god tier and kept the team winning
B. Elmapuddy is just a bad coach, and is the reason why they were not doing well, and Boaster's igling just slipped because of it

I think that these two points both lead to the conclusion that: 2024 Boaster's calling was just simply not good compared to where he is supposed to be in terms of IGLs all time, and it leads people to start noticing that Fnatic was heavily stacked in 2023, and people start thinking that Boaster is overrated.

I personally (just at an IGLing level, not firepower level), would put him at 3rd all time, with Saadhak and FNS being above him (whatever order). I also think that in 2025 he could end up potentially slipping to being the 6th best caller in the world, potentially even worse if boostio comes back to form (FNS, johnqt, munchkin, sadhaak, boaster, nobody, boostio, valyn)

I also think that the reason FNS doesn't get flack isn't because of his personality, it's because people understand what player quality he has had to work with. In 2024, he came in with a team that was basically dead, needing to win a crazy streak to put them into playoffs, and completely rebuild it with crashies (not even in t1 anymore), and victor duelist (there are probably well over 20 straight duelists in americas better than victor)(he should swap to a flex role). It's obvious that they would fail, and even when they did, one of the brightest things on the team was how fucking insanely well they were able to set up rounds and execute on them. Even on optic, when they won their trophy and were the best team of 2022, crashies wasn't 2023 split 1 crashies, and victor was basically a miniboo. They had yay to carry them entirely and marved who stepped up in rekjavic but wasn't himself at champs. They won most of their games basically just outcalling the opponent into yay, and allowing him to take over with their calls. They didn't have the 'Oh yeah [insert any 2023 fnatic player here] is in a 1v3, they're likely gonna win it' factor for anyone but marved and yay.

We also joke about "Boaster and time", but it's a real thing, where Boaster will spend so much time trying to set up a round, that they will run out of time and have to speedrun an execute or just lose because of it, whereas the term "Masterclass round" literally comes from FNS's haven, and very rarely do we ever see an Attack round where FNS will get out called. I would also like to point out that on the NRG team in 2024 that collapsed, their attack side was incredibly good, and one of the best attack sides in Americas, even with how dysfunctional that team should have been, showing people that, yes, fns is not washed, but their defense sides were just shit which comes down to prep more than igling.

Obviously take this all with a grain of salt, as we are (hopefully) about to see both of these 2 very incredible igls play in 2025 with teams that should enable them to win a lot, so we should (hopefully) be able to see these two clash it out on even footing. (be real 2023 tokyo was such a firepower gap, fns called well on fracture and his team just fell over) Should be able to watch some masterclass valorant from both of these teams, as well as all of the crazy good igls from 2024 as well. If the teams that these insane 2022/3 igls are on are able to help them out, we might be in for some of the greatest valorant of all time this year, god willing

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Aayan
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woah
very nice post, I disagree with a few small things here and there but I think overall this is very good
I mentioned his personality and online presence in another post (my last comment before this) but I want to clarify I don't think it's exclusively that, although it is a big factor.

I think the biggest thing that doesn't get mentioned enough (that you also mentioned) is the dynamic between mini and Boaster, I think they fit perfectly together. We even saw fnatic playing exceptionally well at Champs when he came back for Seoul. I don't think elma is specifically bad, it's just that idk if he belongs on a 'superteam'. I had doubts after his stint on GENG but if I'm being brutally honest FNC 2024 kind of proved my fears right unfortunately. No hate to elma as a person at all, I think he's pretty cool. But I think if things don't go well I really hope management is open to a coaching change.

As much as I would like for it to happen, it's currently looking unlikely that mini will return as a HC. But I think there are a few high quality coaches who'd be suitable

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MudKiko
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gonna take a while

#18
c4rrotstix
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legends say he is still reading

#19
Aayan
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unfortunately I queued a ranked game 😭

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c4rrotstix
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Would you consider fnatic playing at an exceptional level at champs?
I personally wouldn't for what they've shown before, and have proven they can do, as the only teams they beat were:
BLG (bad)
KRU (good but the worst team to come from Americas)
G2 (good team, well played but it was an icy diff)
then they lost to SEN in a match where Tenz was clearly off compared to his usual self, and they lost Lotus badly

I think the last time we saw Fnatic play like their 2023 selves for an entire series on an international level against real competition was either the G2 series, or against FUT back in 2023 champs, unironically. We haven't seen them play like their dominant selves on an international stage against a competitive team for so long, even in Champs.

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Aayan
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Tbf I worded that quite badly now that I look back at it
It's defo nowhere near their 2023 level

I meant it more so relative to their 2024 performance whilst also considering that they had hiro (good, but not Leo) as a sub.
Icy did struggle in map 1 I'll concede, but I think map 2 kind of proved that their overall teamplay was higher at the time (I believe this is when fnatic peaked in 2024) Even in the SEN game I feel like they played relatively well. The first two maps were pretty close and (maybe I'm biased) it feels like they lost to themselves more so than only losing to the enemy

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c4rrotstix
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I think they peaked regionally personally, and that's where they were playing at their peak in the finals of either final

relative to their 2024 performance yeah they played better, but like...
their 2024 was just bombing out of shanghai and not making it to madrid so i didn't want to compare them to that team

I don't remember the sen game (i 100% watched it live), so i dont want to comment on it but i 100% believe that they were playing pretty well in the first 2 maps

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catNmouse
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they were up 11-8 on the first map that’s why aayan feels like fnatic lost to themselves

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catNmouse
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his IGLing is really good but he can only do so much since he likes to micro manage a lot more than other IGLs, no second caller in Leo at that timeframe. maybe when leo is fully well and ready to play they change their IGLing style and boaster can focus on macro more, best case scenario. Hopefully that changes with the addition of kaajak (who i’m guessing doesn’t need to be micro managed as much)

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askrial
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not much to disagree with. nice essay.

#6
c4rrotstix
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waiting for the dort to come by because he saw fns buzzword and say sum shit like b0tster is a bum keke fns clears

#8
askrial
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lol, just ignore mr. 13 year old ascendant, we all agree he's an idiot.

#7
H3ENnZ
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Valorant theory and analysis 101

#9
c4rrotstix
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should make a channel for analyzing valorant

i am a pretty good thinker, and a man, so maybe i would call it

thinking mans valorant

#10
askrial
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just wait till they ask for the oil...........

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H3ENnZ
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Support that idea ur analysis was dope man

#11
welladjustedperson
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this is a theory that I have been talking to my friends about a while ago that elmapuddy is a yes man to the fnatic players and the reason they disappointed is that he wasnt willing to push back on them for anything causing weak results from a lack of prep and sanity checks

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c4rrotstix
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i wouldn't be surprised, if I was a pro player who won 2 trophies in a row and a random coach came in to try to replace my coach that I just won with for so long, of course I wouldn't trust him and go with what I know because it worked. Not saying it's correct, but it is the reaction that a normal human would have

#15
catNmouse
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mini didn’t want to be HC, they had no other choice tbh

#16
c4rrotstix
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100% they had no other choice, and this was an inevitable outcome for them to deal with, but it still doesn't change the fact that the team needed to adapt to it and they just didn't

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welladjustedperson
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yeah its honestly a tough situation for the team hopefully they will do better this year (kajaak does worry me though, system player looking ass)

#21
c4rrotstix
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kajaak is not the concern for me on this team skill wise, I hope he doesn't get the qck effect mentally and boom out

I want to see a fnatic that has new ideas, plans, and comps for the new 2025 meta, whatever it may be, and see them FUCKING INNOVATE

#12
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boaster > two FNS

#22
broberg
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i aint reading allat bro

#23
c4rrotstix
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good thing there are people who did and commented on it that weren't you! public forum for a reason <3

#27
babysasuke
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Boaster isn't overrated as long as you're rating him bottom 20 players to ever get to play a map in Tier 1

Recycled CS strats with no flexibility and can't use his gun

Ruining careers of aspiring EMEA talent since 2020 and has nothing to show for it. At least he can twerk and engagement farm on Tik Tok!

#28
askrial
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yknow i thought it would be dort saying it but this works too

#29
c4rrotstix
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recycled cs strats 💀💀💀

Fart level opinion

#30
reaper_rega08
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For me Boaster is still the Goat caller. Their 2023 was crazy and only Gambit in 2021, Optic and Loud in 2022 and GenG in 2024 came close to that. I will rate FNS and Saadhak equal in calling but below boaster.

#31
c4rrotstix
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The implication here is that redgar in 2021 would be the 5th best caller of all time

No one is saying that FNATIC didn't have one of the best runs in valorant in 2023, just that it is starting to look like Boaster's calling specifically was not the reason why they went on that run more than just the player quality, and coaching, which is what I was thinking

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