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kalayav_n

Would FPX be the best team of all time, had they attended Masters Reykjavik(and won)?

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no

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kalayav_n

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dw SEN didnt exist back then, so you can say yes

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still no

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eh

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Aayan

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At the time

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kalayav_n

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I think tbh they would arguably be the best team of all time, its at the point in valorant where its not too early; they beat optic, prx and all of the good teams as well.

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Aayan

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it goes back to the age old question

what is lock in worth relative to a masters

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kalayav_n

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worth more because of single elim,

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Aayan

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hmm, well I agree (I'm biased though) and I'd say fnatic still

if for some reason LOCK//IN was objectively less valuable than a Masters then I'd say an FPX who'd win Masters 1 would be better

I saw you say LOUD 2022 in another comment, but honestly them falling short in Masters 2 is sorta a dealbreaker (Pretty much why I wouldn't consider GENG in 2024)

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kalayav_n

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even with the lockin trophy, FPX had better peak and all of 5 players were well.. not just detriments to their team. sorry but ange1>boaster
zyppan<derke
suygetsu>alfa
shao>leo
ardiis<chron

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shao>leo

dats crazy i don't even know what to say

ange1>boaster

this one I feel like goes to Boaster just barely
both weren't renowned for fragging, but both called at the highest level. But imo the 2023 meta was much harder to call in

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kalayav_n

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not really bro, esp on the initator role. IDKKKKKK MAN

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Azzelastia

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Lock In was an invitational mickey mouse.
Worth nothing.

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Aayan

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i really want to fw EG but you make it hard

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you can fw with EG, just not with azz0lostia

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Aayan

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see the thing is im not that invested
maybe azzelastia will feel something if he realises he's actively caused someone to not buy the EG 25 bundle (if he's a real fan)

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:(

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gotta not make people hate eg bro

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ash_knuckles

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no comparison

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lock in is not a master, lock in is obviously worth less than a masters. if you think otherwise you're retarded

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yes? 1st 1st 3rd 3rd

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kalayav_n

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fnatic is a bad comparison; its LOUD vs FPX for the best team of all time, if that were to happened

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loud had 2nd 1st 2nd 3rd 3rd so id say loud is better ?

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would PRX be the best team of all time if they won reykjavik, beat FPX at copenhagen, and won champs 2022?

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kalayav_n

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they attened all of those and lost fairly, FPX weren't allowed to attend reykjavik

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shesh_

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but if they won all 3 would they be the best team of all time?

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kalayav_n

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whats your point that your getting at

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shesh_

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just because a team wins one event doesn't mean that they should logically win the prior events in the year, so these hypotheticals really mean nothing. Of course if a team wins more than 1 event they're going to be one of the best of all time, but even if they won Reykjavik, there's no guarantee that they go on to win Copenhagen anymore, because we're just throwing around baseless claims at that point.

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kalayav_n

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"had they attended Masters Reykjavik(and won)?", they won masters Copenhagen lol, they were the literal favorites to win reykjavik!

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but we literally saw what happens once they won an event
they won Copenhagen and showed the world the peak of their play --> proceed to lose to DRX twice at champs (in really close games) because of a prep dif
if they won Reykjavik what's to stop the same thing from happening to them at Copenhagen, i just don't really see your point here

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kalayav_n

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understandable but just for me i do think they win that event.

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No. Their downfall as navi means they simply could not have been best oat. We need a top tier team consistent for 2 whole years to beat fnatics streak now.