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Rankers, Rank, Talent, Mechanics, etc

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Yuh_aye

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Alot of people are getting the relationship between rank and talent wrong imo, especially since Rankers' run through challengers so far

Ranked is a loose indicator of talent

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Lets look at the posterboy of rank = t1 talent, Primmie : https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/Scooby%20dooby%20doo%23wheru/overview

Of course, primmie is a t1 level player/talent, but the problem is when people say that we knew that from how good he is in ranked (#1 every act, insane tracker, etc). You can not infer that because he's good in ranked, that that makes him talented enough for T1. The relationship is the opposite, it's because he is talented that he is so good in ranked

And this condition does not always hold. Not every good player is good in ranked, not everybody good in ranked is good at pro play (more commonly).

Let's look at EG Nature : https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/EG%20NaturE%23RAT/overview

Wow, look at that, an absolutely insane tracker. 1200+ rr peak, 941/1000 TRS, 1.34 K/D, S tier every stat, 76% winrate, all while locking initiator (sova/breach/fade)

But in pro play, he's not even considered a top player in t1 play, even amongst igls, or even mechanically amongst domestic 'fragging' igls (Kingg, Valyn, Johnqt, Rossy all clear)

Now lets look at t3xture, arguably the best duelist in the world, and a Masters MVP : https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/GEN%20t3xture%239999/overview

Good, but nothing crazy
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So what is the relationship between rank and talent with regards to pro play? As previously mentioned, its very loose, but I propose a simple system

T4 - If you can consistently hit imm2 or higher in ranked if ranking up was your only objective , you have enough talent to be a T4 Player. This does not mean hitting that rank makes you a T4 player, but that you have enough talent for that level of play.

T3 - If you can consistently hit bottom radiant or higher in ranked if ranking up was your only objective, you have enough talent to be a T3 Player. This does not mean hitting that rank makes you a T3 player, but that you have enough talent for that level of play.

T2 - If you can consistently hit top 150 Radiant or higher in ranked if ranking up was your only objective, you have enough talent to be a T2 Player. This does not mean hitting that rank makes you a T2 player, but that you have enough talent for that level of play.

T1 - It does not matter how good you are in ranked. You should be able to hit top 50, but other factors are much more important in determining whether or not you are T1 capable. (Experience, understanding of the game, understanding of your role, etc)

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Why is it that rank does not matter much for T1 consideration? Because contrary to common belief, there are actually a good bit of players who are not in t1 who have better mechanics than most t1 pros (ex: Geeza - currently a collegiate player)

Primmie and Karon are the EXCEPTIONS. Does anybody here think that if Poppin was picked up to a T1 team that he would be in consideration for GOAT of his role within his first year, like Karon? Please identify yourself if you think so.

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This of course isn't to say that rank means nothing. RANKERS, composed of 4 notorious ranked demons + inspire, made it to Challengers Playoffs with no practice. But keep in mind this is literally the best of the best when it comes to pug stacking. 4 of those players have been getting to rank 1 consistently these past few acts. What they've done is very impressive, and does show that rank is an indicator of talent, just a loose one.

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Verstepping33
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W

#3
Toastz
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just put my fries in the bag

#4
laifu
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tldr: rankers winning ascension

#5
Aayan
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see sometimes you do know ball

#9
catNmouse
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doesn’t change the fact that fNaTiC wAs nEver GrEaT 🤪

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Prancer
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brave of you to assume people on this site can read more than 2 sentences

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Aayan
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unfortunately I've made that mistake once

#8
RatLoverOK69
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I aint read allat.

#10
sameer40
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i feel like this is obvious but the avg person here is a noob so

regardless this is a good post

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Ultia
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Sounds like I’m a T5 player! Good post

#12
Shadow_Monarch
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P0PPIN is a known streamsniper so no. Nightz1x and Canezerra has crazy aim but I think NIghtz clears Cane in terms of understanding the game better. Eggster can definitely play Tier 1 if he chose not to one trick Yoru. He has the skill and the talent. Inspire has the experience but needs to just aim better and not tilt.

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Yuh_aye
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Hard disagree with just about everything you said

P0PPIN is a known streamsniper so no

Well he's not sniping in challengers, and he's doing just about as good as the rest of them, on Sova/Skye too. You could make a real case that out of all of them he's the one that can make the best transition to actual organized play and is most likely to get picked up by a real challengers team. Personally I think he's their 2nd best player

Nightz1x and Canezerra has crazy aim but I think Nightz clears Cane in terms of understanding the game better.

Regarding Nightz, I think his aim might be slightly better but he literally only has a 'ranked' skillset. Like he can only really play Clove Iso Yoru Reyna.
Cane is a much better hard entry (jett raze neon). I also don't think ego swinging smokes and taking ridiculous fights is indicative of a high level understanding of the game.

Eggster can definitely play Tier 1 if he chose not to one trick Yoru. He has the skill and the talent.

Not gonna pretend ur being serious here

Inspire has the experience but needs to just aim better and not tilt.

'just aim better'

His experience from the last 2 years:

  • the current Rankers Run (made it past groups stage after real challengers basically ended)
  • subbed one game for TSM in RBHG qualifier
  • the lil bro cup
  • the G4 rumble
#14
EndMePleaseUwU
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Make a YT bro or tiktok channel I'd hear your Yap

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ASTEROIDCHILD
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nature has really good mechanics, he just sucks in matches because he doesn't know how to split his focus between igling and aiming

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kanyefan4238173
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nature is a terrible example

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