phoenix viability after the changes

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kyro1

probably going to get played a bit on pearl and ascent but not much outside of that at least hes playable now

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Haven sneak pick

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kyro1

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i doubt it with how powerful neon/breach and iso/yoru is right now

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on my life phx yoru would be harder

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MrBlooBloom

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thought you said some dumb shit but you're actually frying with this one

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he will for suure get player more

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that was gonna happen anyway with pearl back

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might see a return of LOUD's flash heavy phoenix comps from early this year or something similar

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phoenix breach on ascent is funny but hella bad actually

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Tbf i think something like Phoenix, Sova, Breach, Astra, KJ/Cypher could work on Ascent, but dont see Loud in particular trying

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kyro1

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no chance bro that comp is terrible

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Rakshy

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Yeah, but always some teams like to get a little silly and can work on short term but with 1 or 2 games would get anti strat asf

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kyro1

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nah but theres better 1 and done team comps on ascent like i dont even think that has a win in it. its just default but with no movement realistically just buy an odin and that comp is wrecked on attack. if you want to go default with phoenix sub him out for kayo.

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that's precisly how sen destroyed loud on defense

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You didn't mean EG? Sen only played against the Breach Phoenix on Ascent once and they lost

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they won their defense side as soon as sacy bought the odin, that's partly why he toopfragged too, even tho they lost the game in the end

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Oh yeah, i didnt remember that sry

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FPX type shit

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phoenix / iso + regen shield = gg

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MrBlooBloom

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good luck entrying against killjoy+sova

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hes a worse alternative to a flash initi now... teams with a good non duelist fragger (alfa, woot, less, sayf, ban) that can aggro will prob try him out

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kyro1

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i wouldnt say hes necessarily worse he its kind of just map and meta dependent the 6 cost ult and possibility of 3 flashes in a round is very strong and the wall is now decent

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He could also be played on abyss since the orbs are very atk sided. Pretty much any map with atk sided orbs means that he could see play tbh.

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kyro1

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id have to look at it in game but you might be cooking with this one

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I think PRX played him on abyss on their first match on this map and it worked pretty well