Vyze vs Yoru clone

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Anguibok

I think the fact her trap can be triggerred by Yoru's clones, turn her from best senintel, to useless sentinel in proplay.

All her kit in defense revolve around setup a deathly trap and Yoru can just antistrat it with one spell making her useless when she should be strong. So a proplay team shouldn't play her because if thats happen their opponent will play Yoru after a couple of game and just antistrat her whole kit with a spell.

Hard counter shouldn't exist in Valorant because they are no draft and no swap

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Yoru pickrate at Champions 2024: 8%

I think Vyse will be fine

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It's antistrat, they are no point to pick Yoru today, but if a team pick Vyze everytime on the same map, it's better to just pick Yoru to counter her

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cloudberry

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I get what you mean, but that's like saying people use Cypher to counter Neon, or Sova to counter Cypher. Sure, they used to, but teams have gotten good enough at evading sentinel setups without changing their comps

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With Vyze it's sound kinda hard, but if you say is true, then proteam should stop playing Sentinel, because thats her own utility.

Also, 0sentinel composition got 14% Pick Rate and a Non mIrror Winrate of 54%, so maybe you are right and proplayer should stop play sentinel

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That's not what I meant lmao

I'm just saying pro teams can likely find their way around Vyse setups without needing to change their team comps

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Anguibok

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Maybe, but isn't the end of your point if we think few step further ? What is the point of playing a defensive agent if their defending tool are defused ?

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But Yoru is still a strong agent and if a team did want to play vyse it would only be good until someone picks Yoru to counter them

So no one is gonna want to make a short term vyse comp. maybe if it’s like end of season and they just want to pull it out once

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I feel like Vyse can only be really efficient in a double sentinel comp some1 prove me wrong

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T1 have been experimenting with solo Vyse on Bind

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VxpxFX

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Yeah but that’s just Autumn doing Autumn things

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cloudberry

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I personally think she'll be really good on both Split and Pearl

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Anguibok

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I think doble sentinel are kinda weak, doble sentinel make you attack really hard to play

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best sentinel???

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Anguibok

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She have best firepower in attack, and her trap are as deadly as other sentinel in defense

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Kirya

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Why would you need a senti for that
she is bad at holding flank and is worse than kj + cypher at lurking

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Althought I agree Vyse is a bit underwhelmed, regarding what you said you can still get info that the yoru is near there. Same way Sova's drone would get shot by somebody even if the drone isn't looking at them or if Fade's prowler gets shot

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You cant compare active and passive vision, if Yoru break the wall/passiveVision you have no intresting info, they may go on another site and you whole setup are defuse. Breaking active vision give opponent an information usefull to prepare an entry because you get a position that will be usfull in the next 10s