2024 GENG vs 2023 FNC

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2024 GENG

Made 2 of 3 international GFs (Madrid & Shanghai) SO FAR, won 1 of them (Shanghai)
Made ALL 3 regional GFs so far, won 2 of them (Kickoff & Split 2)
Played 37 matches SO FAR, resulting to 29 W & 8 L = ~78% win percentage
Internationally have only lost to SEN once

2023 FNC

Made 2 of 3 international GFs (Sao Paulo & Tokyo), won both (Sao Paulo & Tokyo), finished 4th at Champs
2nd place in EMEA league, with a perfect undefeated regular season (9-0)
Played 27 matches in total, resulting to 24 W & 3 L = ~88% win percentage
Internationally only lost to LOUD twice

From the statistics we see that both teams are honestly very similar. If GENG manage to make another grand final appearance at Champs, I think it's safe to say they are the best team of all time, but till then prime FNC still holds this title.

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100% agree

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:)

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Lock In was a mickey mouse. Champs 2023 was worth more than both lock in and tokyo together.

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^

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Womp womp

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4ch1p4p4

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Ain't no way some people still believe lock//in was a mickey mouse in 2024 💀💀💀

For sure single elim has more flaws than double elim, but it's also much harder since no 2nd chances are given

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I think LOCK//IN and Madrid were both mickey mouses because lots of teams had new rosters and it was their first International LAN playing together with the new rosters. Also the teams were still on the verge of figuring out the meta and comps as well. LOCK//IN was just FNC and LOUD while other teams were pretty trash if I remember, as well as single eliminations.

I could be wrong though, it was long time ago.

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4ch1p4p4

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Actually in LOCK//IN there were 5 good teams with a pre-existing core of players:
FNC, LOUD, NAVI, DRX, NRG

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Exactly, they had pre-existing core player rosters. Other teams like C9 100T SEN etc were a new team so couldn't perform as well during the tournament.

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4ch1p4p4

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Yeah but still there were at least 5 teams that could win the trophy and only FNC managed to, not their fault for being better than the competition (also in most tournaments there are always like 4 teams in contention for the trophy anyways, don't tell me in last year's champs teams like giants, zeta and fpx were ever competitive enough)

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if geng win champs they’re the best team

if they come 2nd they’re still 2nd best

not even a fnatic fan but winning 2 trophies back 2 back is insane, teams can barely win one

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Even though I'm personally a fnatic fan, I try to not be biased and I believe one 1st place and two 2nd place finishes are better or at least equal to two 1st place and one 4th place finishes.
But I agree about the 2 back to back trophies part

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I mean besides how their tournament outcomes have been, fnatic looked much more dominant last year compared to geng this year. Fnatic were still innovating and coming up with new ideas while it feels like geng just play good valorant and hardly innovate/do something new. Hell they are using last year's haven comp. I feel like if peak fnatic played against peak geng fnatic would still win because they would be difficult to antistrat

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4ch1p4p4

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Valid point I guess

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catNmouse

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you bring a good point tbh. geng literally doesn’t innovate, look at their sunset comp

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Seems like people forget how sentinels are stronger than both of these bum ass teams.

-swvyboi1

#SENCITY

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we clear them for sure

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4ch1p4p4

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Is this friendly fire 😂

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nihso

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ya fuck sen

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4ch1p4p4

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Couldn't even get double digits in 2 maps 🤣🤣🤣

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nihso

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cant even win a map of us

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4ch1p4p4

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Ain't no way bro is still posting matches from 2021 💀💀💀

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nihso

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you posted a 2023 one lil pup

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4ch1p4p4

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If both FNC and SEN make playoffs (not probable) we'll see which team will go further in the tourney

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nihso

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i see not probable because fnatic is gonna lose most likely

same with sen

continue thread →

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heavensentsaint

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sen fans turning on their own team ain’t no way

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nihso

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i mean what are we supposed to do when kaplan and drewspark cant figure out how to use deadlock and just copy others thinking it will work when in reality they actually have to figure out how it works and its strengths and weaknessses to win instead of just doing absolute nothing and thinking the dumbass trips is gonna 1v5 all of geng? how is munchkin walking up short and long every round with absolutely no consequences? wtf are they doing? do we even wanna win anymore? i get it if they dont because we have 2 trophies but soon geng will catch up and 2 other teams is gonna have 2 trophies and we arent gonna be able to use this excuse anymore so we actually have to lock the fuck in but kaplan and drewspark wont because they are fucking stupid and keep using deadlock with they dont even know how to use her properly.

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catNmouse

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they might not know how to use deadlock however the good thing is that it might actually be useful vs FPX considering they’re an aggro team

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nihso

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absolutely not. instead they will sit on site and when the trips off they will not peek and have fpx run them down like the piggies we are. we will also get outplayed

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nihso

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2020 tsm clears

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4ch1p4p4

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2013 & 2015 & 2016 & 2023 T1 clears (in LoL of course)

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nihso

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prime astralis is way ahead

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4ch1p4p4

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NOT EVEN CLOSE

Prime Real Madrid for sure though

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nihso

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prime napoleon is so much better though

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4ch1p4p4

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OK I can't even continue I'm dying 😂🤣😂🤣

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nihso

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bro i got downfragged every time and you got like 4 up frags. people have hate boner for me

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4ch1p4p4

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I'll upfrag you :)

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nihso

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thanks i appreciate it

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GenG's international performance v/s domestic performance has been different than fnatic'23
Also one thing that people in future prob won't remember is how close geng really were to winning Madrid, just a round that they where they had the spike down on bind in OT and things could've been different, SEN definitely won because of better composure