Level of Validity for each VCT Trophy Win

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sentinelmain377

I am not calling these teams bad at all. All trophies are valid, I am just comparing the validity.

SEN M2 2021: 10/10
GMB M3 2021: 10/10
ACE CHAMPS 21 2021: 9.75/10 (idk why ppl call acend a fluke team when they innovated so much stuff, including brim and omen shit in a super dominant astra viper meta. Plus they fell off after cuz zeek was suffering from mental health issues. Nothing else. Only real excuse is that GMB was tired after the KRU game)

OPTC M1 2022: ~~5/10~~ 7/10 (it’s a 50:50 between optic and fpx. the 2 best teams of EMEA weren’t at full force - FPX couldn’t attend and FNC had 2 subs and remember that OPTIC was very weak against Emea teams)
FPX M2 2022: 11/10 (winning an event despite so much disruption in practice due to visa issues and also having a sub is insane + the only time a team has won a tournament with a FULL lower bracket run)
LOUD Champs 2022: 10/10

FNC LOCK-IN 2023: 9.5/10 (lock-in had the exact same top 5 as champs 2022 and FNC also won Tokyo right after so fnc is valid. 0.5 off for being a single-elimination invitational tournament)
FNC M1 2023: 8.5/10 (super dominant, back to back trophy, 4 of the top 5 players in stats were from FNATIC. Eg did have practice issues tho with demon1 coming in late and prx didn’t have something, but I don’t think this dominant fanatic loses to the 2 at the time regardless)
EG Champs 2023: 10/10

SEN Kickoff 2024: 8.5/10 (kickoff style and lack of participating teams at Madrid led to half the teams at Madrid being full of rookies - KC TH GENG - that aren’t as experienced internationally. SEN also went on a hard fall off right after when there was a real and normal format)
GENG M1 2024: 9.99/10 (the only thing keeping them away from 10 is that some teams would prob have rather saved strats during this stage as there is not much time between Shanghai)
EDG Champs 2024: 10/10 (so many insane shots)

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why is madrid “kickoff” and not “M1” and Shanghai is “M1” instead. a masters is still a masters

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sentinelmain377

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There is a reason why “kickoff” was before Madrid and “stage 1” before masters 1 Shanghai

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babi

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Hop off this website and go outside please. I see you under every damn post regarding masters wins and Emea wins

#5

sentinelmain377

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Stfu lmao

Don’t reply or only reply to what I said instead of waste my time and yours

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babi

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I’m tryna help you out here and clearly you’re still a little boy addicted to your phone or computer

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it's just his topic of interest why are you on his case

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sentinelmain377

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I came here for logical reasons for why my post has flaws in its logic. Not for off topic or waste of time replies. Stfu now. I am at a party - boring - on my phone so I’m outside lmfao

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BulkyLettuce

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holy shit you're a loser

is at a party (lie) and instead of talking with actual people you are on vlr 24/7

get better soon 🤣

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KlRBY

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Fpx wasnt winning reykjavik 😂😂😂

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sentinelmain377

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Brother
If TL (4th best team in EMEA that wasn’t even supposed to be at Reykjavik got 1st seed in the group with OPTIC and also got top 8 at the event, surely FPX clears)

Edit: yeah downfrag me just cuz u guys don’t wanna admit that it was a 50:50 between fpx and optic and na isn’t as dominant as you want to believe. Cope mfs

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fnatic won stage 1 and shit the fucking bed in shanghai. we don’t know what would’ve happened if FPX was there but they won copenhagen eventually so i don’t even know why you’re trying to invalidate optics win when they were against LOUD themselves; LOUD clears FPX btw

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FPX won the emea finals with a sub. That is how good they were

Also there is a very noticeable difference between FNC fluke run in EMEA stage 1 2024 (especially against heretics who aren’t as used to b05s) and FPX’s run

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Lock in was an invitational. Not even a masters tournament. 0/10

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sentinelmain377

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Nice

Just don’t listen to my logic and just make some random ass reply

Dum ass fuck

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Azzelastia

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Them just put there Ludwig invitational tournaments if you are at it

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Winning against LOUD 3-0 was a 5/10? Talking bout fpx wasnt there as if they would beat LOUD 🤣🤣

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sentinelmain377

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TL (4th best team in EMEA) went +4 rounds against LOUD

FPX clears lmao

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Piter

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There's no way people are still seriously using the "X team beat Y team and Z team beat X team, so Z>Y" in 2024. Valorant is about as unpredictable as competitive games get

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Okay true. But FPX during Reykjavik clears LOUD during Reykjavik for sure)

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catNmouse

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on what basis, loud beat optic in uppers

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Yuh_aye

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+4 rounds

This guy is inventing new ways to cope I can't 😂😂😂😂😂

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catNmouse

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FPX winning iceland? DRX will be there 👻👻

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sentinelmain377

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When they were 5th-6th cursed kekw

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catNmouse

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got owned by DRX who didn’t win trophies 90% of the time lul

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sentinelmain377

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That was champs 2022 (months later)
Also fpx cleared that 5th-6th curse drx at Copenhagen so they 100% also would at Reykjavik

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Lock in was a 0/10. Nice try eu fan

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dort

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Prime optic >>>>>>>>>>>>>> FPSHIT

#18

sentinelmain377

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Ur a baiter so it doesn’t matter what you say lmfao

Stupid fk

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dort

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The irony 💀

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sentinelmain377

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I’m not a baiter
These are genuine takes

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You’re genuinely retarded bud

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Sentinel main best user on the site 🙏👌

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FNC only won tokyo bc prx had sub!

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I hate this arguement of FPX not being there, so what if they weren’t there it doesn’t change the fact that OPTC still won it, and it doesn’t change the fact that, that GF was also the Champions GF, Loud and Optic were quite literally the best 2 teams

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he isnt saying fpx would have won but couldnt attend. and youre using champions but the very next tournament saw fpx win so

its not that fpx is better than optic or loud but that they were all very competitive

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sentinelmain377

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Comparing teams at the time of Reykjavik
Not at the time of champs (many months later)

Also my top 5 ranking of 2022 (completely different thing btw is:

Optic 1, Loud 2, Fpx 3, Drx 4, Prx 5

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kanyefan4238173

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W post . every trophy is valid but the only one that is of less validity is optic reykjavik

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Loud would've won copenhagen if they didn't face their kryptonite in groups early unfortunately

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sentinelmain377

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Sadge. But Guild went 1st seed in a group with optic and loud and then went 7th-8th (but only lost to Prx and Fpx, who were the finalists). Guild is the real 3rd best team of that event and LOUD lower placement than northeption kekwwww

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If FPX Copenhagen gets extra points for disruption of practice due to visa issues, then Fnatic Tokyo must lose points.
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Both of the best players/star duelists on the other region's #1 teams had that issue

EG - Wasted 2 weeks of tournament preparation playing with sub until demon1 return last minute. The only maps between Fnatic and EG (nerfed) at Tokyo that were decisive were Fracture and Lotus. Every other map came down to 2 rounds, the closest margin possible. Next tourney we saw what happened (Champs MVP).

PRX - missing Something entirely (Pacific MVP). PRX with something has also outperformed Fnatic at every tourney since he could play.

and both teams at full strength also beat Loud at Champs.
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Since you gave OPTC M1 22 a 5/10, FNC M1 23 should be max 3/10.

Also there is a spelling error where SEN's M1 is misspelled, and GEN.G's should be M2

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sentinelmain377

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Valid for fnatic, but they only go down to 8.5/10 since I don’t think Tokyo fnc loses to eg or prx anyways

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catNmouse

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champs fnc would have a way harder time with champs eg than they already did to be honest

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Yuh_aye

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So OPTIC goes down 5 for FPX, who they outplaced at champs, and avenged later:
https://www.vlr.gg/220290/nrg-esports-vs-natus-vincere-champions-tour-2023-masters-tokyo-opening-a

But FNC only goes down 2.5 after both EG and PRX outperform them next tourney, and PRX have outperformed ever since?

Go ahead and switch ur flair back to FNC buddy

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sentinelmain377

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You are ignoring that optic fell off in Copenhagen and got to top 3 by beating xset and drx with guild being the real 3rd best team of the event.

Also NRG vs NAVI match ??? A year later tf

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Guild beat optic after 13-11 map1 Triple OT map 2 (shanks won more decisively), then never made a LAN again cuz they lost to nobodies in Navi and OG whatever in LCQ. Optic made it to Champs finals (and did better against PRX at copenhagen). If anything the razor thin victory vs optic was the fluke

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sentinelmain377

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Guild didn’t make champs because of this:

Russ left due to mental health issues
Guild started practicing with BIG Twisten (sub) for 3 weeks for lcq. 2 days before lcq starts, Riot says u can’t use a player from another org (despite BIG being eliminated from any chance at champions at all and not being in lcq)
Guild had to take yacine instead and then got eliminated

That guild (sayf twisten Leo trexx koldamenta) actually had a veryyy good chance of being top 4 in champs

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That guild (sayf twisten Leo trexx koldamenta)

The guild that lost to OG LGBT MRI and Navi had 4/5 of those players that you just mentioned. I also severely doubt that even with 5/5 they woulda beaten M3C or Liquid for that spot, especially given how scream was playing.

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sentinelmain377

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Bro they didn’t practice with yacine. They were praccing with twisten for 3 weeks just for riot to fuck them over 2 days before lcq

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edit: double posted ignore this comment

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take off ur VIT flair and cheer for FNC then pussy

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optic win was extremely fraudulent glad someone notices that.