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mel tier 1

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#1
kanyefan4238173

do you guys remember the thing where mel got a t1 opportunity taken away cause a player didnt want to play with a woman

theres no way that was ever going to go through all the way cause she is so bad. she woulda had like a .45 k/d with terrible calls and util use (not saying it didnt happen cause she was a woman but it woulda fell through anyway cause she isnt a top 50 gc player let alone a top 50 player)

also does anyone have the source on that comment i cant find it

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ButterflyEffect23
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someone said to me that the team that refused to trial out meL was called "Pioneers"

idk that's NOT a tier-1 team to me

#4
kanyefan4238173
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ohhh so it was an old thing by the time they brought it up then. i remember the story came out during franchising time but pioneers wasnt around then.

even then she wasnt good enough for kcp imo

#5
ButterflyEffect23
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apparently a non-fragging IGL with mid calling was stopped by sexism and misogyny

I'm not buying it sadly

#6
kanyefan4238173
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maybe it did but it wouldnt matter cause she would get dropped after going double negative against huge jass construction

#7
ButterflyEffect23
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it might be true but she's just not good enough to make it into tier-1

and Pioneers were not even tier-1 at the time, if I remember correctly

#8
Camden
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Shes already in tier 1

#9
ButterflyEffect23
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I don't really think that Game Changers are a tier-1 competition

I prefer to differentiate the competitions by the level of play

for the females and marginalized genders GC is tier-1, but in reality it's more like tier-3, in my opinion

#10
Camden
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It has to be higher than the ascension league since the game changers league actually has international lans, while ascension at most has a regional Lan. Riot recognizes the game changers championship with a buddy and title in game just like every other international lan.

#11
ButterflyEffect23
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Ascension league is miles ahead in terms of level of play tbh.

That's why I have Ascension and Challengers ahead of GC

#14
Camden
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ascension league doesnt even have an international lan

#58
Psion
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kentavious caldwell pope

#63
kanyefan4238173
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Kinda dumb that kentavious’ parents named him that like bro they shoulda known people would confuse him for the Kansas city pioneers

#20
BluWasTaken
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KCP was tier 1.5 I'd say, beat other tier 2 teams but couldn't make it to tier 1.

#3
Camden
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Isn't Game changers already considered tier 1. Since it has to be higher than the ascension league since the game changers league actually has international lans, while ascension at most has a regional Lan. Riot recognizes the game changers championship with a buddy and title in game just like every other international lan.

#17
kanyefan4238173
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i mean theres not really clear tiers for anything other than open franchising and open challengers but gc has an international lan because its not connected to tier 1 franchised valorant and is separate

#23
Dreoxx
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To be fair, the recognition riot gives is for the welfare and the promotion of gender equality in the fps, and in the general gaming scene.

The point is, recognition does not equal elevated level of play. i think riot is doing good work with supply the GC scene with more recognition, but it's very clear that the level of competition is below tier 2. this might sound misogynistic, but to be blunt, many GC players in general have never even hit radiant or even imm3, whereas the average tier 2 player has hit radiant for a few acts, showing consistency to perform at the highest level.

TL;DR: Riot recognizes GC more b/c its been a marginalized scene and had low windows of opportunity in the past. recognition is therefore not equal to skill, as proven by many forms of statistics.

#24
Camden
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this point makes no sense. There are plenty of GC players that are radiant. Youre assuming that high rank in valorant competitive mode makes good pros. How is GC not a higher tier than valorant ascension league when they get way more peak viewers

#25
kanyefan4238173
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because it appeals to women who want to see women play

also na t2 matches get similar views to gc na matches

and more popular definitely does not equal better i dont even need an example to prove that

#27
Camden
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So in the NBA theres a tier 2 league called the G league and some G league teams can probably beat many piss poor countries international teams at the olympics. We wouldn't say the G league is better than the olympics

#28
ButterflyEffect23
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I'm about to shoot myself in the head five times in a row with a shotgun

#29
kanyefan4238173
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shit makes 0 sense retard get another analogy

#30
Dreoxx
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bro, this is just nitpicking now.

the g league is comprised of males, not females. you're also referring to the g league stomping "piss poor countries" at the Olympics, against other males. how is this anecdote relevant to the argument.

jesus christ. i really don't get on how many levels you could introduce fallacious statements

#32
Camden
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Wdym. Are you saying women can’t compete against men in an esport???

GC isn’t just for women

#34
Dreoxx
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how did you even get this from what I said? i never said gc is just for women, did I?

are you trying to distort what I just said to make me look like I'm tryna insult GC?

#35
ButterflyEffect23
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OH BROTHERS why are you still arguing with this guy, this is literally insanity

#38
Dreoxx
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ngl its kind of funny, and i recently quit debate club, so I guess I'm just exercising my debating skills against these insane people haha

I also just have a tendency to argue haha

#40
Camden
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Why mention that men play against men in olympics vs the NBA. what does that change for esports

#43
Dreoxx
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you said the example, not me!
im saying that men play against men in the NBA and the men's category of the olympics because you tried using these examples to compare to t2 (99% being men) versus GC (marginalized genders and identities).

you started making irrelevant comparisons, so I merely pointed it out.

#26
Dreoxx
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ranked is merely a show of mechanical skill in an uncoordinated environment. ranked only proves that if you outaim, you win.

however, it is a tac FPS after all, and aim is a very relevant part of VALORANT.

on the other hand, if you want to talk about general pro play and organized/constructed gameplay, there has been instances of very washed tier 1 players rolling through in-form tier 2 players, but giving benefit of doubt, let's just claim that they are merely showmatches/friendlies, so they aren't too relevant.

even with this point across, tier 2 pros have proven that they roll through GC competition. in a few years I hope that GC can send some players to t1, but I don't think it'll be too soon.

#31
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How have they proven to roll through GC competition? Bob played in both leagues.

success in one league doesn't necessarily determine success in the next league such as N4rrate and Johnqt. BCJ and scewface are world champion in Tier 1 but are both struggling in tier 2.

#33
Dreoxx
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  • Johnqt did very well in M80, lead his team to solid 2nd in ascension, your point is stupidly invalid.
  • N4RRATE? doing bad on MAD? are you fucking joking. bro was held back by his team. look at his career stats and he has a positive rating on almost every agent he touches.
  • BcJ got fucked over by EG, man still has potential
  • Screwface? Champ in Tier 1? are you fucking joking? THIS GUY PLAYED 0 MATCHES FOR EG I CANT LOOOOOOL

and if I mention about Bob... i would be labeled as a misogynist, but as far as I know bob has been trans even before EXO.
oh, and even with that unsaid point across, Bob is one player out of countless in GC. where is your point?

#36
Camden
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What about rossy

#37
Dreoxx
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are you going to try to nitpick every single player that fits your tiny frame?

also you are also wrong on this point LOL

rossy did pretty bad in his stints in TSM and FAZE, but as time passed, you could see his improvement as a player and as a teammate, especially in the long stretch of games he had with TT (Turtle Troop). This is where his form came in, and T1 saw this and picked him up. now, he's doing great!

next player? you're currently 0/6 on players that you thought would fit your ridiculous example.

#39
Camden
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how am i 0-6 when all these players performed very differently in both leagues

#41
Dreoxx
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please refer to my previous messages.

all of these examples were either very incorrect or they gradually got better/in-form.

#12
Iquickscopei
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb7uh6w7XUk
FNS on V1 Mel Drama about Male Player rejected Female to play in Tier 1 VCT

#13
kanyefan4238173
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thanks bro

#16
Iquickscopei
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I can't find the orinigal source but here is tarik reacting to it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8P3G0Iacgg

#21
Camden
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So in the NBA theres a tier 2 league called the G league and some G league teams can probably beat many piss poor countries international teams at the olympics. We wouldn't say the G league is better than the olympics

#60
Al-Mawsil
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saying the same point 5 times doesnt make it correct dumbass

#61
Cheasle2
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I don't think MeL was good enough for Tier 1, but getting some play in Tier 2 NA would have been good for both scenes i think.

if the rumor about that team not wanting to play with a woman is true, that's pretty sad...

#62
HackNaija
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meL never got a t2 opportunity, I am pretty sure the team that trialed her was pioneers, a t2 team

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