CS vs Valorant

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Sir_Johnny123

This is your genuine which one is better type post, Its comparing format and mental strain it has on pro players.

CS players definitely have thicker skin but they play far more events throughout the year, They can afford to have off events and bounce back from it alot quicker during the next one. The fact there is alot more international top team match up allow the fans to be less brutual towards teams.

With Valorant, the International events (3 per year) Hold a ton more weight that allows very little room for error in a very snowbally game. if you have an terrible showing, you will have wait and qualify for the next event to really prove yourself again. With only 3 main internation VCT lans a year, it causes alot more region wars and more toxicity towards teams.

I personally think Valorant is more damaging for a pro player mental health compared to CS. Thought?

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the vct format has been shit, a better format would help mental health fs

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i think it entirely depends on the person as to whether valorant or CS is more damaging mentally

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Sir_Johnny123

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I hear more people talking about burnout in valorant in 4 years than the whole time csgo was out

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This is so insanely accurate it's unreal.

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Psion

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i've also heard way more talk about discrimination(racism,sexism,transphobia) in valorant than CS but CS's community is definitely filled with more of those people than Valorant's is.
valorant's meta changes more, which is the real reason for more burnout

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Sir_Johnny123

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I think thats purely down to the Devs. Riot makes sure it is culturally inclusive with the agents they add, they want to make everyone feel included (Not a bad thing) but it does mean the average players will use that to discriminate. Those people will get punished for it with enough reports
In cs the devs don't even entertain it, they most they do is add a black character which you cant even use in competitive matches.

The Meta does change but not as frequent as it made out to be, 1 maybe 2 times a year. There is more strat/anti strat creating. The meta change only really effect i agent class at a time

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did u even read the 2nd part of my message?

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Sir_Johnny123

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Didn't register it to start with after the first irrelevent comment you made, i edited #11 with a response

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Psion

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yeah, the meta only usually switches between events
like in americas kickoff->stage1, the pickrate of skye, kj, breach, astra, fade, and gekko all had massive changes
and from stage1 to stage 2 there will be the viper and duelist changes, a new map, and haven. teams at home right now will have much more time to learn haven, and by extension the new map bc they'll have already worked on haven, and the teams at events will have to play catchup

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Psion

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and the first part of my message was to explain that just because its talked about more doesn't mean its a bigger issue

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i mean in val u play 1 match a week during the week in the splits. in league u play 2-3 matches depending on the region. in cs u play non stop bc there r non stop events.
for internationals i can slightly c your reasoning but its double elim for playoffs. cs is single elim where if u fk up once u r done for that event. tbh for cs too there only like 4 events a yr that everyone cares bout (2 majors, katowice and cologne). for fnc, they fk up both their games vs fut and gen g.

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Most CS tournaments are double elim. Single elim is extremely rare. Also you're forgetting EPL and Blast World Finals are both huge events. Normally there will be one or 2 good IEMs also.

Tier 2/3 CS is insanely busy compared to Tier 1 as well. I remember when Gambit Youngsters were playing 20 maps a week for over 3 months. This is just before they broke into T1.

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cs is only double elim or swiss in group stages. its never double elim in playoffs. no one cares bout blast or pro league. also the gap between tier 2 and tier 1 in cs is hella smaller then the gap in val. lots of tier 2 teams in cs can b competitive or even beat tier 1 teams if its online or qualifiers(on lan is another story.)

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Playoffs are always just the quarter finals onward. That is exactly how tournaments should be made, there are more than enough matches prior for you to get your form up and utilise the benefit of the extra chance. When it's the playoffs there shouldn't be chances for mistakes, you should have everything tightened up.

Tier 2 in CS is way more competitive and closer true, but their consistency is always the issue, they could win or they may just crumble whereas Tier 1 teams are very consistent. It helps that CS has an insane number of teams and orgs and it's not until you get to Tier 3 that teams aren't big names with a decent budget that may not attend every major event.

Also everyone fares about Blast and EPL. They're 2 of the biggest events of the year, blast world finals is one of the biggest paying events alongside majors and EPL practically decides your invitations to loads of other events as invitations are normally based on ESL team ranking.

I really think Valorant fucked up with Franchising, I get that it was early, but it's been 2 years now of only 3 events a year, no Tier 2 really to speak of and over half of the franchised teams don't seem to even try to improve so what's the point in watching them.

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in league there are only 2 events a yr. no cares bout msi where worlds on the other hand is biggest event in all esports. but theres also heavy stress on domestic play compared to val. seems that winning splits in val dont matter where in league they matter a lot.

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That sounds so dead it's unreal. I always thought LoL was pretty active. Maybe they do so few events to drive viewership when it is on?

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moshimoshiman24

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well i mean worlds is the big thing every yr that drives viewership. also lck is pretty big.

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I just checked and damn you weren't kidding. Other than World's and MSI LoL viewership is crazy low. It's lower than Tier 3 CS tournaments somehow.

I guess I just always assumed LoL had insane viewership in general but it's more extreme peaks and troughs.

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Sir_Johnny123

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CS you chose as a team what events you really want to miss, Spirit took a two month break after the latest major. Valorant you have to be very committed for practically the whole year till the off season. Unless you don't make events you can take abit of time off.

there are 4 main LANS in cs but the filler ones in the middle help the teams get really good practice at, something valorant lacks

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post zzzz

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Sir_Johnny123

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huh ?

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both are hard in different ways, you play few matches in valorant so losing those can affect u a lot in terms of mental health but CS can be very mentally draining travelling all around the world especially if u arent from Europe to play events, losing, having problems and then going straight to the next one without almost any breaks, HLTV is brutal too, way worse than vlr imo, in terms of big events u get almost the same hate in CS and Valorant but since there are many events in CS u can get away with having a bad performance in a Major/Kato/Cologne if u did well the rest of the year while in valorant you will get murdered and have to wait months to prove yourself again, I would say the hate is similar overall but in valorant the hate is more one region to another so it can be just a lot of kids trash talking because u talked bad about their regional darling but in cs the community overall/neutrals will shit on you, also CS is more mentally draining and unhealthy in that way, Valorant is just about not choking in the few events u have every year and being able to not let the hate get to you if u do choke while CS is just about enduring how mentally draining playing so many matches while travelling is and being able to perform well during the whole year since u will get judged on yearly stats and not just 1 off event

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I think in T1 tournaments it's hard to stay consistent in valorant cause they change so much(map pool/agents)

anti strating is easy
you can't run same comp or play same way you need a deep strat book or atleast be creative
as he mentioned less tournament