Emil is the problem

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One of the main ones, definitely not all of them atp

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enzo

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agree, i don't even know how is he radiant, and I just remembered he just duos w nats in rank, for nats to carry him. ofc nats doesn't care much because he'll play what he loves to do but seriously, NATS NEED A BETTER IGL AND A REAL PLAYER on his team.

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idk what happened to him but he used to be good on fnatic, he's a great clutcher and his sova util was pretty good

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the pressure of igling is also affecting his aim and util usage, he's a great player but i don't think he is fit for igl

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yep ur right, TL should just find a proper IGL and rebuild around keiko and nats imo

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i totally understand what u mean, but if we stay like we just have to understand enzo and his igling, then we won't see how it is possible for an igl to be a real player who aims still, like gen g's igl, fut igl mrfalin, johnqt sen. he just speaks all french cooking, and croissant, and when they won (he's just all the talk but he is actually being carried only by his team)

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he wasnt that good on fnatic either, atleast in the fragging department

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bro on fnatic he was bot fragging almost constantly towards the end. his skill is about the same as it use to be. He was only good because of his util, clutches and maybe coms

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I can fix him

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bruh xd

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Yes he has fumbled with 3 different rosters now

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They got an igl who can't shoot and spams odin no matter what map it is.

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he must have got some insane stuff on the owner of Tl because at this point its just way too much of mid-ness to go with a coach for 3 years and produce no meaningful results with one of the best backings in the league financially structurally etc

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coach with only copium getting out of his mouth, like just surviving and controlling, but never to win lol

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you say no results but they qualified for champions every year with him, and they beat Fnatic. Thats probably whats keeping him there. I don't know that he's the issue tbh i think they just need newer talent.

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they qualified to champions before him as well. yes i know that might be a decent achievement for most orgs, but for an org at the level of liquid, it isnt that much. especially comparing their growth. its insgnificant if not negative since 2021

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i mean, without replacing almost every player i doubt they can do any better than qualify. If they win a single match at champions with this team even if they replace EMIL i will be shocked.

Maybe EMIL is a problem I've not said he isn't I just think it's blatently clear they have bigger issues

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We are not saying they don't need to change some players (as TL fans), we are saying the very first thing you do is start with replacing Emil as the coach.

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I mean maybe, i kind of think they should go about it in the other direction, replace players first and then coach. But lets be honest nobody outside of TL can really comment on which should be replaced first, none of us really know how the coach/player dynamic at TL really works so we can't know which order is better

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Emil has been part of the squad for way longer than the players, I don't know what makes him the "better twin" among the two (TL announcement video), again I've no hate against him personally, maybe he's a wonderful person but as a TL fan, him as a coach is a big NO.

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the better twin stuff is 100% just banter between EMIL and his brother, i wouldn't try and read anything into that.

As for replacing him, honestly if they can mce then they should 100% get him otherwise idk if there are any good coaches i would replace him for. If possible i would actually just start the roster from the ground up unless they get some major results in the later half of the year.

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yah liquid need actually valorant coach like aleck in prx
strat with that
get rid cs fraud

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scream nivera don't need emil to qualify champ

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yeah really loved watching karmine corp play at champs last year

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This comment totally reminds of Nagzet and KRU, remember how much time they took to get rid of him lol

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I mean maybe he isn't the solution but I wouldn't call him the problem. Its kind of hard to tell what impact he has on the team. Honestly with Sayf they had some amazing peaks. When he joined Liquid he almost fixed that roster and got them to champions. I think he's probably a half decent coach with some mediocre tools. On paper getting 3 of the winning tier 2 team sounds good i just think in practise they lack fire power compared to the other EMEA teams.

Honestly the best fix i can think of is get 3 rookies that can just out aim everyone and either keep nAts and jamppi if they are happy IGLing or keep 1 and get an IGL.

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or another option start from scratch, get an IGL and 4 insane aimer rookies from tier 2. Every team thats suddenly had success has followed this formula, might as well give it a try for a year.

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they need more rank demons they can just train, I swear nats would want to team up w ranked teammates bc he won't be stressed at all stepping up all the time with all the calling and strategy. BATUJNAX IS INSANE, he rank grind but he is also igling on rank. AND ENZO? nah I don't even know how this guy got to radiant, but I remember he never solo queue and just duo w nats for nats to carry him in radiant lol. bro never been radiant, just one time and just on this season bc of nats carrying him.

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I mean without hearing Enzos coms it's hard to tell his impact, maybe he is the best igl the game has ever seen (doubt it but he's there for a reason i guess). But the team needs fresh talent

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he sometimes stepped up but idk whenever I saw him play w nats in rank, I SWEAR NATS DID THE IGLING AND CALLS THAN HIM AGREEING TO WHAT NATS SAYS ALL THE TIME. nats like carried more with his comms, than enzo kept dying, so silent and only talking about his skills to support the team but still L. nats had to be consistently aware of enzo's pattern. i get the (comms are the bts of what is happening in-game that are important to consider) but I've analyzed how he plays and he just igl when he know he have to bc they losing lol.

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Mistic and Enzo needs to be dropped asap, they are legit walking orbs