Duelist diversity

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Mortadelo

There’s still a clear dominance from Raze and Jett, and there is non played duelists like Iso

But other than that I think we have one of the widest variety of duelists being played

PRX and KRU making Reyna work, LOUD and M8 have had great Pheonix maps, Neon is becoming more popular, TH plays it a tone and other teams are starting aswell. Yoru is the most popular it’s ever been and most teams run it at least on 1 map.

Chamber is also back to the meta which is not really a duelist but it kinda is

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i'm convinced that people who think chamber is a duelist lock reyna and sit in corners in immortal

jett raze neon yoru reyna phoenix are entry agents

chamber is a sit in a corner agent

also you're right but duelist diversity has been a thing for a while, meta is ass cuz viper dominates far too much and riot are scared of nerfing her

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i'm convinced that people who think chamber is a duelist lock reyna and sit in corners in immortal

those people have sub 50 IQ, they can't understand that chamber's tp is a more passive ability than jett's dash

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Wish i could upvote you for 1000 times. Bronze mfs be saying chamber is a duelist is so fucking braindead.

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Mortadelo

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A duelist is not necessarily an entry, Kayo is also designed to entry and he’s not a duelist.

Chamber is designed to take duels, duelist
Also who tf plays Chamber? Your duelist player or your sentinel player?

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vastiraa

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kayo is absolutely not an entry unless he has his ult on lol

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Mortadelo

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Why is Pheonix more entry than Kayo? Pheonix heals but that’s about it

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his 5 point ult that lets him take space and get traded for free maybe?

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Mortadelo

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That’s also the purpose of kayo ult

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Phoenix gets it every 2-3 rounds, his flashes are faster, can block off his own angles with the wall, and he can run through his own mollies

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Mortadelo

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Fair, let me change the example then, why is Iso an entry

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babysasuke

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I wouldn't really say he is, his kit is all jacked up, thats why he's not getting played

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Mortadelo

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Well my point is more towards that, Ig it's a matter of how you define what a duelist is. Imo it is someone designed to take duels not just entry, but Ig it's subjective

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vastiraa

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iso is not an entry lol

your point is completely wrong

phoenix is an entry cause he can farm his ult very easily

"kayo gets 50x more value throwing flash lineups" is the simplest way i could put this

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Mortadelo

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My point is not that Kayo is a duelist nor that Phoenix is not an entry. My point is that the definition of a duelist is not "an entry", and since Iso is a duelist and not an entry you seem to agree

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cboomer

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i mean aspas isn't a chamber player for a reason lol

SHITS passive af

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Mortadelo

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That is because Less is better than aspas, duelists play chamber 10x more than sentinels do

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cboomer

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this is a retarded take tho, chamber is only played with other duelist agents

champs 2022 finals yay played chamber 3 maps and each time, he was a passive awper and victor was the duelist

just because a duelist player plays chamber doesnt make chamber an entry agent

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Mortadelo

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That depends on the team and the map, why can't there be 2 duelists in a comp?
But yes you're right it mostly is played with another duelists by its side, why? Because Chamber is not an entry, I never said otherwise, that doesn't mean it's purpose it's not to take duels

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bladee666

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yeah the delusion is crazy
chamber is played by every duelist for a reason
no need to overcomplicate

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cboomer

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at madrid chamber was only played twice and it was accompanied by a phoenix or raze

chamber is not a duelist

AWPers play chamber, and they do it when the team has a good entry

thats why victor and zekken are so important

you are brain dead af if you think yay is the duelist/entry not victor

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he is not played as a duelist atm because he is weaker than the duelists rn but you're tripping if you think people like demon1 wouldn't pick chamber if he was stronger
he has a tp that allows him to hold and peek angles, and say what you want, but peeking is getting space, thus doing what duelists do, be it by using satchel, dashing, flashing
ur victor take is too simplistic. that's like saying jinggg is the duelist and not something, even though they both played duelists in some maps

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cboomer

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when you're double duelist usually there is a refragger and a entry

something is a refragger (job is to be spaced perfectly behind entry and trade)

jinggg is an entry (job is to take first space)

taking a duel mid isn't a entry, any agent can wide swing mid lol

demon1 wouldn't pick chamber in ANY meta unless there was another player on raze jett or neon, so it's not a duelist

theres a CS term for Pivot, thats what chamber is. Pivot is just someone that is installed in an angle with flashes or utility and sits there, because chamber doesnt have a dash smoke or raze nade bot and satchel, you can watch optic use utility to setup yays angles and he stays there until the kill is found.

edit: also yoru is played almost exclusively as a initiator or second entry because his TP is pretty readable, not saying yoru can't entry but the way top teams use him is as initiator in a double duelist comp usually

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no one plays iso even in ranked