There’s still a clear dominance from Raze and Jett, and there is non played duelists like Iso
But other than that I think we have one of the widest variety of duelists being played
PRX and KRU making Reyna work, LOUD and M8 have had great Pheonix maps, Neon is becoming more popular, TH plays it a tone and other teams are starting aswell. Yoru is the most popular it’s ever been and most teams run it at least on 1 map.
Chamber is also back to the meta which is not really a duelist but it kinda is
i'm convinced that people who think chamber is a duelist lock reyna and sit in corners in immortal
jett raze neon yoru reyna phoenix are entry agents
chamber is a sit in a corner agent
also you're right but duelist diversity has been a thing for a while, meta is ass cuz viper dominates far too much and riot are scared of nerfing her
cboomer [#2]i'm convinced that people who think chamber is a duelist lock reyna and sit in corners in immortal
jett raze neon yoru reyna phoenix are entry agents
chamber is a sit in a corner agent
also you're right but duelist diversity has been a thing for a while, meta is ass cuz viper dominates far too much and riot are scared of nerfing her
i'm convinced that people who think chamber is a duelist lock reyna and sit in corners in immortal
those people have sub 50 IQ, they can't understand that chamber's tp is a more passive ability than jett's dash
goofyahh1447 [#3]i'm convinced that people who think chamber is a duelist lock reyna and sit in corners in immortal
those people have sub 50 IQ, they can't understand that chamber's tp is a more passive ability than jett's dash
Wish i could upvote you for 1000 times. Bronze mfs be saying chamber is a duelist is so fucking braindead.
cboomer [#2]i'm convinced that people who think chamber is a duelist lock reyna and sit in corners in immortal
jett raze neon yoru reyna phoenix are entry agents
chamber is a sit in a corner agent
also you're right but duelist diversity has been a thing for a while, meta is ass cuz viper dominates far too much and riot are scared of nerfing her
A duelist is not necessarily an entry, Kayo is also designed to entry and he’s not a duelist.
Chamber is designed to take duels, duelist
Also who tf plays Chamber? Your duelist player or your sentinel player?
Mortadelo [#5]A duelist is not necessarily an entry, Kayo is also designed to entry and he’s not a duelist.
Chamber is designed to take duels, duelist
Also who tf plays Chamber? Your duelist player or your sentinel player?
kayo is absolutely not an entry unless he has his ult on lol
Mortadelo [#5]A duelist is not necessarily an entry, Kayo is also designed to entry and he’s not a duelist.
Chamber is designed to take duels, duelist
Also who tf plays Chamber? Your duelist player or your sentinel player?
i mean aspas isn't a chamber player for a reason lol
SHITS passive af
Mortadelo [#5]A duelist is not necessarily an entry, Kayo is also designed to entry and he’s not a duelist.
Chamber is designed to take duels, duelist
Also who tf plays Chamber? Your duelist player or your sentinel player?
yeah the delusion is crazy
chamber is played by every duelist for a reason
no need to overcomplicate
vastiraa [#7]kayo is absolutely not an entry unless he has his ult on lol
Why is Pheonix more entry than Kayo? Pheonix heals but that’s about it
Mortadelo [#10]Why is Pheonix more entry than Kayo? Pheonix heals but that’s about it
his 5 point ult that lets him take space and get traded for free maybe?
cboomer [#8]i mean aspas isn't a chamber player for a reason lol
SHITS passive af
That is because Less is better than aspas, duelists play chamber 10x more than sentinels do
babysasuke [#11]his 5 point ult that lets him take space and get traded for free maybe?
That’s also the purpose of kayo ult
bladee666 [#9]yeah the delusion is crazy
chamber is played by every duelist for a reason
no need to overcomplicate
at madrid chamber was only played twice and it was accompanied by a phoenix or raze
chamber is not a duelist
AWPers play chamber, and they do it when the team has a good entry
thats why victor and zekken are so important
you are brain dead af if you think yay is the duelist/entry not victor
Mortadelo [#13]That’s also the purpose of kayo ult
Phoenix gets it every 2-3 rounds, his flashes are faster, can block off his own angles with the wall, and he can run through his own mollies
Mortadelo [#12]That is because Less is better than aspas, duelists play chamber 10x more than sentinels do
this is a retarded take tho, chamber is only played with other duelist agents
champs 2022 finals yay played chamber 3 maps and each time, he was a passive awper and victor was the duelist
just because a duelist player plays chamber doesnt make chamber an entry agent
cboomer [#14]at madrid chamber was only played twice and it was accompanied by a phoenix or raze
chamber is not a duelist
AWPers play chamber, and they do it when the team has a good entry
thats why victor and zekken are so important
you are brain dead af if you think yay is the duelist/entry not victor
he is not played as a duelist atm because he is weaker than the duelists rn but you're tripping if you think people like demon1 wouldn't pick chamber if he was stronger
he has a tp that allows him to hold and peek angles, and say what you want, but peeking is getting space, thus doing what duelists do, be it by using satchel, dashing, flashing
ur victor take is too simplistic. that's like saying jinggg is the duelist and not something, even though they both played duelists in some maps
bladee666 [#17]he is not played as a duelist atm because he is weaker than the duelists rn but you're tripping if you think people like demon1 wouldn't pick chamber if he was stronger
he has a tp that allows him to hold and peek angles, and say what you want, but peeking is getting space, thus doing what duelists do, be it by using satchel, dashing, flashing
ur victor take is too simplistic. that's like saying jinggg is the duelist and not something, even though they both played duelists in some maps
when you're double duelist usually there is a refragger and a entry
something is a refragger (job is to be spaced perfectly behind entry and trade)
jinggg is an entry (job is to take first space)
taking a duel mid isn't a entry, any agent can wide swing mid lol
demon1 wouldn't pick chamber in ANY meta unless there was another player on raze jett or neon, so it's not a duelist
theres a CS term for Pivot, thats what chamber is. Pivot is just someone that is installed in an angle with flashes or utility and sits there, because chamber doesnt have a dash smoke or raze nade bot and satchel, you can watch optic use utility to setup yays angles and he stays there until the kill is found.
edit: also yoru is played almost exclusively as a initiator or second entry because his TP is pretty readable, not saying yoru can't entry but the way top teams use him is as initiator in a double duelist comp usually
cboomer [#16]this is a retarded take tho, chamber is only played with other duelist agents
champs 2022 finals yay played chamber 3 maps and each time, he was a passive awper and victor was the duelist
just because a duelist player plays chamber doesnt make chamber an entry agent
That depends on the team and the map, why can't there be 2 duelists in a comp?
But yes you're right it mostly is played with another duelists by its side, why? Because Chamber is not an entry, I never said otherwise, that doesn't mean it's purpose it's not to take duels
babysasuke [#15]Phoenix gets it every 2-3 rounds, his flashes are faster, can block off his own angles with the wall, and he can run through his own mollies
Fair, let me change the example then, why is Iso an entry
Mortadelo [#20]Fair, let me change the example then, why is Iso an entry
I wouldn't really say he is, his kit is all jacked up, thats why he's not getting played
babysasuke [#21]I wouldn't really say he is, his kit is all jacked up, thats why he's not getting played
Well my point is more towards that, Ig it's a matter of how you define what a duelist is. Imo it is someone designed to take duels not just entry, but Ig it's subjective
Mortadelo [#20]Fair, let me change the example then, why is Iso an entry
iso is not an entry lol
your point is completely wrong
phoenix is an entry cause he can farm his ult very easily
"kayo gets 50x more value throwing flash lineups" is the simplest way i could put this
Mortadelo [#22]Well my point is more towards that, Ig it's a matter of how you define what a duelist is. Imo it is someone designed to take duels not just entry, but Ig it's subjective
Their job is to take space
You're getting owned in this thread because Chamber holds space, not takes it. Sure, he can peak an angle and get a first blood, but if no one is there he just has to wait for something to happen.
Playing Chamber and playing duelists are totally different roles with different objectives
Duelists were playing Chamber when he was meta because most of those duelists were one-trick Jetts/Ops who couldnt play anything else at the highest level. They were mostly playing the Chamber style "sit in off-angle with operator and dash away" type shit anyway that Chamber was now better for after the Jett nerfs.
vastiraa [#23]iso is not an entry lol
your point is completely wrong
phoenix is an entry cause he can farm his ult very easily
"kayo gets 50x more value throwing flash lineups" is the simplest way i could put this
My point is not that Kayo is a duelist nor that Phoenix is not an entry. My point is that the definition of a duelist is not "an entry", and since Iso is a duelist and not an entry you seem to agree
Mortadelo [#25]My point is not that Kayo is a duelist nor that Phoenix is not an entry. My point is that the definition of a duelist is not "an entry", and since Iso is a duelist and not an entry you seem to agree
you still said all of these things tho
communicate ur "point" properly next time
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