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you guys gotta be dumb ash

they lost to team heretics and you guys are thinking they are ass. team heretics is honestly one of the best teams in the world, imo top 5, they literally took sentinels to an insanely close 3 map series and had before losing to karmine corp they had also shit on them the previous time they played, not to mention they did all this with a sub playing

maybe if they lost to one of the worse teams we could call them washed but they literally lost to one of the best teams in the world

once you're at the top, the only place left is down

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People that look at scores only probably are making stuff up and don’t know what they’re saying, but icebox especially Fnatic were all solo plays no teamwork. It looked like everyone wanted to step up and try be a hero but th were good at punishing. It looked kinda like edg’s problems with how they were all solo hero plays but it doesn’t work on the best teams, like th. Too early to tell where they’re at but it looked rough

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these losses aren't as bad at people are hyping them up to be but the trend of performances(not placements, but actual performances in the games themselves) between lockin/tokyo to champs and now here is concerning
this was a genuinely perfect team that then went to looking like they didnt deserve to win champs and now is getting borderline shredded by younger, newer teams playing a different style of valorant
the losses in themselves are not shock horror disaster the way its being talked about but there is a narrative here, deservedly so
this isnt something that can just get brushed off as an inevitable gods do bleed or whatever, we're talking about a team that did not drop a MAP between lockin final and eg uppers in tokyo(excluding the liquid final, because who cares), who they then 3-0d(albeit paperthin margins, but still a 3-0), and now they've been 2-0d TWICE by teams in their own region

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Imagine Heretics with wo0t

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Fnatic isn't trash and they know what they need to work on. It's still going to be an uphill battle though

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"top 5" im sorry this roster just got 7-8 at an international event where tf u getting top 5 from

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they lost close series to the teams that placed 1st and 3rd

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the top 4 teams at madrid are better than them and they lost to KC at Kickoff they literally cannot be top 5, top 6 MAYBE

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Tbf they absolutely owned KC the first time they played, they're 3-3 on maps

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Psion

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yeah true but the further we go into specifics the more gray area there is.
teams definitely better than TH:
LOUD
SEN
GenG
PRX
there's a bunch of teams we could argue are better than TH including:
EDG
KC
NRG
100T
Lev
T1
Navi

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I don’t think there is any objective reason to rank them that high, but as you just said it is arguable. If someone had that opinion I wouldn’t call him crazy. Just saying there is a case to be made

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Psion

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but you cannot use an only arguable point(and we've already agreed its a very flimsy argument) as a definite point to defend a completely different point which is where the real problem lies

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Mortadelo

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Why can’t I use an only arguable point to argue my opinion? That’s literally the whole point, is not like there’s an objective truth. You might not share it, but I do. I don’t think it’s crazy to say at all for how they have been playing

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Psion

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no no no, i am talking about the original post not you.

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Mortadelo

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You’re right he does state it like if it was an absolute truth

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not LOUD lmao they got rolled by PRX while both EMEA teams played them close. LOUD only finished top 4 because of a lucky draw

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Psion

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bro you do realize this doesn't work because its a circle?
LOUD > EDG
EDG > PRX
PRX > LOUD
like please fucking think

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DaBetz

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if u think its that simple ur braindead lmao, EDG beat PRX so theyre better than them? if they play each other 10 times PRX wins 9 of them

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Psion

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dude you are the one who thinks it was simply a "lucky draw."
apparently when you judge singular games ("LOUD got rolled by PRX while both EMEA teams played it close") its ok but when i do it its against the rules? grow a fucking brain

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DaBetz

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it was a lucky draw cry about it

continue thread →

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yeah bro, one of the most consistent teams itw almost always getting top 4 beacause of luck. LMAO the EU brain is something else

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DaBetz

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yes lil bro thats something that can happen when draws are randomized. LOUD are ass cry about it

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Biruley77

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sure bro, 2 years of pure luck in draws LOL chadhaak owns your whole continent and your country is the size of our towns, cry about it

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11-3

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edg need help. idk what, but they're not looking good at all

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Psion

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i mean i wouldn't argue they are better than TH but like someone can definitely argue that
3 points already:
they beat PRX
only teams they lost to are #4 and #1 itw
they ended 5-6 while TH ended 7-8

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Lucrix

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thats fair. im an edg fan and i think they look INCREDIBLY out of form. if they return to form they can probably be top 5 teams itw

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Psion

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they also seem like a team that has to focus on their own game and can't adapt to other's playstyle (hence why LOUD folded them so hard)

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ozaee

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they were also playing with a sub, also pretty much everyones first internation lan in valorant and they were also in home crowd

watch when they have their full roster and they can overcome any possible nerves

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Psion

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they beat FNC with the SAME SUB

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missing our best player and still beating fnc is insane and almost beating sen even having more total round wins between all 3 maps once woot is in we will be insane

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Psion

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or wo0t fucks up team chemistry which is entirely possible, either way i don't think they fall out of playoffs if wo0t does mess stuff up

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just got 7-8

it was 8 team mickey mouse tournament with swiss stage after all dumb ass 😭

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Psion

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it was not a mickey mouse tourney LMAOOO

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8 teams is way too low for a tournament. any off season tournaments has 8 teams too 😭

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i mean it can be too low in terms of viewer engagement or hype around it but that doesn't make it mickey mouse, it'd be mickey mouse if the format was bad (Lock\in) but it had the best format of any tournament valorant has had

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nah the stakes of matches were way too low to even begin with due to 8 teams. like this is the only tournament since vct began which has the least amount of teams in it. lock in has single elim for sure but has very high stakes on a single match cuz if u lose one series u go home which makes teams play at their S tier gameplay.

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the only match of Lock\in most people remember is the grand finals. LOUD vs EDG, LOUD vs SEN, and SEN vs GenG are all more memorable than the 2nd most memorable game at Lock\in

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LOUD vs EDG, LOUD vs SEN, and SEN vs GenG are all more memorable than the 2nd most memorable game at Lock\in

u literally brought up about the format argument. where did memorable games come in here? 😭 even then no one is gonna remember loud and edg with how much of a stomp game it was.like be real here, the only matches that are memorable are the grand finals( except for some certain breakthrough insane matches)

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"i mean it can be too low in terms of viewer engagement or hype around it but that doesn't make it mickey mouse, it'd be mickey mouse if the format was bad (Lock\in) but it had the best format of any tournament valorant has had"
"the only match of Lock\in most people remember is the grand finals. LOUD vs EDG, LOUD vs SEN, and SEN vs GenG are all more memorable than the 2nd most memorable game at Lock\in"
i never brought up stakes are u ok bro?
if by stakes you mean hype and viewer engagement, there was much more hype at each individual stage (per game) at madrid than at Lock\in
LOUD vs EDG is memorable because of how shocking the outcome was, it will be remembered because of how bad LOUD stomped EDG, its the reverse of why other games are usually remembered (hence why we remember TGRD vs 100T 13-0, because of how bad it was)

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Er3ngenes1s

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stakes doesnt nearly mean entertaining or hype, its about the stakes of the matches which i already explained it. how can u associate with that?

the stakes of matches were way too low to even begin with due to 8 teams. like this is the only tournament since vct began which has the least amount of teams in it. lock in has single elim for sure but has very high stakes on a single match cuz if u lose one series u go home which makes teams play at their S tier gameplay.

also, idk what tf u r sayin? u thought everybody expected edg to win this? how come loud beating edg was a "SHOCK" ? there have been many matches that have got worse than this. like Gambit vs G2 in masters berlin where they 13-0'd them on icebox with a 2-0 scoreline

LOUD vs EDG is memorable because of how shocking the outcome was, it will be remembered because of how bad LOUD stomped EDG,

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Lock-in was over a year ago. Madrid was less than 2 weeks ago.

Madrid will be forgotten this time next year.

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Psion

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lets look at other tournaments to see if this works
Master 3 berlin memorable matches:
100T vs Gambit
100T vs Acend
G2 vs SEN (when G2 won)
Grand finals
Champions 2021 memorable matches:
Grand finals
VK vs Acend
Gambit vs KRU
Kru vs SEN
Reykjavik 22 memorable matches:
Grand finals
Zeta vs DRX and Optic
copenhagen
LOUD vs Optic
Grand finals
champs 22
grand finals
upper finals

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fnatic will not win anything this year and wont even qualify for shanghai. They are not bad but I think another team takes 3rd spot from them.

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finnwithtwons

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which one

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im feeling either fut or navi, could be wrong though

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You are absolutely right sir

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fr, never doubted myself

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idk, i think a serious part of the reason th and kc beat fnatic is because they both play much more disciplined and have extremely good fundamentals
fut and navi don't really have that kind of focus on fundies that heretics and kcorp do
i could see it happening for sure but those wins kind of rely more on a Guy Diff which doesnt really have the same effect on fnc like it did on vitality the other day

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Sen literally played like shit against TH lol

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GKeepItReal

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TH played well.

Miniboo was insane.

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Yea miniboo has always been insane...... sen just didnt play their best, even they said it?

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n

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I mean sure there losses weren't as bad but isn't their thought process kinda weird to begin with?

At the beginning of the year there was this interview in which boaster said FNATIC will practice less from now on, but when you look at other top tier teams like KCorp and SENTINELS, they grind their ass off. KC Magnum said they did 6 scrims a day since they came back from Madrid, and SENTINELS JOHNQT said that they played like 30 scrims in their time at madrid (14 days out of which 3 were content days, 1 was an off day, 6 match days).

If you just stop practicing, those who are grinding more than you are bound to catch up?

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vlr users are such bandwagoners. When a team is winning they glaze so hard and when a team is struggling they think anyone who supports that team is retarded, do people just not genuinely support their teams anymore and just glaze whoever is winning?

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I don’t think fnc is done for, imo they will either implode and go downhill, or start playing like they used to

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heretics

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i mean,it was 2:00 in the night in my country.Then?You guys are serving me the map 1 as if tyloo was playing with heretics LMFAO?
No way that tokyo and st paulo champions are disney?

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I feel like people are exaggerating Fnatics loss, they are not good right now but they arent instantly shit all of a sudden because they arent adapting to the new meta, they are a good team that needs to figure out what theyre doing so they can have a shot at getting to shanghai/champs. It really seems like they are just not planning things out as well and not actually trying to reinvent themselves for the better.

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POV: bro lost on gambling with fnatic

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Lil bro, tell me what you smoke.

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TH obviously good team, but they have to be more competitive than that. TH would have a bunch of excuses available if they lost (not that they would need one vs fnatic), but still they come out and stomp fnatic on map 1 and go on to close the series. Idk.. fnatic might find their groove once they get a win, but they are not even fun to watch imo.

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I think it's because boaster said 'the level of Madrid was low' and there was a video saying he would have beaten all the Madrid teams, which is just disrespectful in itself. Also, there have been many excuses as to why they lost to KC, and I'll link some of them below:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nNXwJJS-TU&list=LL&index=2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhgGhFiCEkU&list=LL&index=5

Literally here that they said they would have beaten both th and navi, they just got 'unlucky'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwmbltzkJHQ&list=LL&index=6

not to mention that tweet made by the coaching staff, which just adds fuel to the fire, regardless if its true or not
https://twitter.com/CoJoPM/status/1775980547875000577

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the reaction is because it is expected for them to be dominant regionally but now I guess they are third behind KC and TH. Theyll likely take that third slot for shanghai and get to champs but I dont see them as winners this season

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I disagree, this fnatic team for some reason looks far less disciplined taking individual fights I wouldn't be surprised if navi or fut qual instead but maybe that's just me getting spoilt frm watching geng and sen at Madrid idfk

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No longer a super team tbh

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yay was right

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good article bro