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flor hate

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#1
riverisdumb

this shit is so corny 😭 acting like the other team didn't have 4 trans players and a non binary player

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Existential_crisis
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World athletics banned trans players for a reason.

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riverisdumb
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so with your logic Supernova Galaxy should be the best team in game changers?

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Existential_crisis
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I didn’t say that . I am just saying this is not fair females gc players .

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riverisdumb
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game changers is literally for marginalized genders
they know what they are signing up for?

#10
Velocity23
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It’s a safe place bruh, not to get farmed by a top100 player. Play in the real league

#12
riverisdumb
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"play in the league" she's not old enough lil bro

#16
kirito5133
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is there age limit for tier2?

#19
riverisdumb
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why play t2 in the normal vct circuit? its awful

#27
kirito5133
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flor is good enough for tier2. its a compliment. i just think flor should try to improve by playing against stronger opponents. dont think flor there for tier1 yet. good tier 2 duelist.

#34
riverisdumb
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if tier 2 was actually supported and made well then yeah it would be cool to see flor play in t2
but its not

#22
Nachtel
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it's not a safe place; it's a developmental league meant to bring more than just men into esports and nurture non-male talent.

Talk to any GC team and 99% of them will tell you their end goal is to compete in challengers

#85
MneMaloMaloMaloTebya
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5 years later people will be saying the same thing and we still wont see any women in challengers or vct

#91
Nachtel
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That would only be the case if GC teams and players hadn't been playing exponentially better and better every single year, which they have.

It is visible in NACL open qualifiers runs like those of SR and Burgerville, and Brazil Challengers open qualifiers runs like that of TL Brazil, especially when you consider that V1 last year couldn't even make it out of the closed qualifiers.

It's also visible in their gameplay if you compare the vods of SR vs G2 Gozen in 2022 with SR vs TL Brazil in 2023.

It's doing its job as far as development goes, although Riot never gives it any marketing which is a huge issue it faces.

Even if it did take 5 years, whether it takes 1 year or 6 years, seeing non-male players more prominently in challengers and in VCT would be an overwhelming success, not just for esports but society in general

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Aetme
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nice yapping XD

#11
Existential_crisis
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Still my point stands . People who have gone through male puberty should never be allowed in marginalised or female categories

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riverisdumb
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if its sport's sure you can make that argument but this is valorant 💀 not football or wrestling

#20
Existential_crisis
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It’s not only about strength. Human physiology is different. Reflex , speed , myelination , response under stress everything is different .

#21
riverisdumb
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"response under stress" holy shit you are not real 💀

#24
Existential_crisis
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You just don’t know biology. It’s okay .

#37
tsmsobadholy
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bro the gap isn't as big but it still exists lol

#35
Cheasle2
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literally all of those things can be possessed by a woman. They can't deadlift 500kg, but a woman can have lightning fast reaction times and insane grind mentality, even if you claim it's rarer, it's still realistic.

#46
Existential_crisis
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I am not saying those things don’t exist in females . But what i am saying when you go for the top 0.1 percent that difference will appear there . Hell if i am placed against females in any games , i will get absolutely smoked in every game but when you compare peak performance you will understand.

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Cheasle2
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women can reach the top 0.1 percent as well. The fastest reaction time recorded by a woman was as fast as 121ms. That's faster than TenZ, thats faster than Aspas. Thats faster than any pro valorant player.

like i said, it may be rarer, and men may have advantages on AVERAGE, but in video games, there is not a bar that cannot be reached by women at the 0.1 percent.

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randybear
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You can make the exact same argument for gaming. The biological males WILL outperform the natural born females. Find me a female better than flor, Bob, etc....If this is a marginalized tournament, fine, let immigrants play here too. Let's turn it into a real party.

#29
str8fax
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It really is that simple lol. This world is so backwards.

#41
Cheasle2
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you wouldn't give a shit about women's sports but because there's transgender players competing in a league that welcomes them, suddenly you're deeply obsessed with it.

#42
riverisdumb
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im saying
all of a sudden these dudes care about something they don't even watch or follow

#44
Cheasle2
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exactly. These people aren't watching GC or cheering for any teams, they just hate because ????

#89
realvizierr
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it would be worth watching if it wasnt 1 guy clearing every other women team

#93
str8fax
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I want my daughter and nieces to have a fair shot at winning something in their life without having boys/men taking it away. Obsessed with giving women a fair chance? Sure.

You seem obsessed with force feeding a thought that would've been deemed crazy only a few years back. Facts don't care about your feelings. Biological male gamers are superior, you're delusional to think otherwise.

#109
Cheasle2
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ur daughter and nieces need to get grinding then because the only people 'taking away' their wins are better players 💀

#45
tomaz
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Exactly. If there wasn't a gap, then why would most of the trans literally smurf in GC tournaments...

The best full-female team is Liquid Brazil, when they played a tournament that was not GC they lost to a team of streamers which some of them arent even radiant......

If there is no gap, why the top 1 female team in CSGO lost 13-0 to a man team ranked #44?

#64
tomaz
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https://www.vlr.gg/event/1949/gamers-club-challengers-league-2024-brazil-split-1/closed-qualifier

This is the second best female team (and the best full-female) playing a QUALIFIER for a bigger tournament. the best team. against some random dudes without even a logo. didnt even get past upper semifinals.

https://www.vlr.gg/170024/team-liquid-brazil-vs-oskaravelho-liga-gamers-club-s-rie-a-2023-open-qualifier-2-ro32

This is the match against the streamers. Yes, they lost 2:0.
tip: dont even check the age of the streamers, some of they are above 30! -> Spacca: 34, Tixinha -> 33, Bida -> 33. And guess what? they do not earn money of playing 24/7 on stream at Twitch, they are CASTERS!

https://www.vlr.gg/169939/team-liquid-brazil-vs-supernova-e-team-liga-gamers-club-s-rie-a-2023-open-qualifier-1a-ro32

This is their first attempt playing against a male team. Literally full of randoms that havent appeared in any scene since.

2:0.

https://www.vlr.gg/296464/orquestra-do-maestro-vs-team-liquid-brazil-gamers-club-challengers-league-2024-brazil-split-1-lr/?game=154760&tab=overview

Lost 13:1 to a male team. their worst defeat ever in terms of rounds.

#69
espeon
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crazy how ur using games from an entire year ago 😭 who wouldve thought that with more experience both sr and to brazil almost qualed to challengers!!! biological difference is so insignificant that it literally comes down to culture and upbringing and if u cant see that then ur cooked

#90
realvizierr
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this man knows. this man is the goat.

#47
Nachtel
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Katsumi put Sonofcar in a meatgrinder just letting you know

#49
riverisdumb
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sonofcar🐐

#23
FNC_Ajay
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Females of countries who are playing are not even marginalized, you are not giving Valorant to 3rd world females

Also the trans are most threatening species
They invade, protest and what not , they are ones who are troubling Biological Females
, let the real female rise , not some man with d!ck who decides to cut it off one day and grow boobs

#25
riverisdumb
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yeah ur just weird bro wtf

#40
FNC_Ajay
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Just like flor BRO ?

#43
riverisdumb
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calling a 17 year old just living her life playing valo weird is crazy icl

#48
FNC_Ajay
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Yeah BRO

#50
riverisdumb
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fnc rats are getting a lil too crazy today 😔

#67
mouth_breather
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as a woman, kindly shut the fuck up (please god please you people piss me off so bad)

#83
Cannot
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i remember why i stopped using this site. so many people here are fucking losers. do something better with your miserable finite time than hate on trans people.

what the fuck are you saying about trans being a threatening species?? (the fuck does species even mean, you are literally just not treating actual people like people) I think you could look at any data on the amount of verbal hate, actual hate crimes against trans people, and laws in many places that restrict their ability to just try to be happy without harming others. Maybe then you might realize who is actual being threatened.

#100
azureblade101
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you are a pathetic loser, do something better with your life, same pussy that made a braindead thread about kyedae's situation

grow up for your sake

#99
PooFaceCe
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marginalized genders? where dat s coming from?

#112
raka
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marginalized genders? there are only 2 genders in case you did not know

#94
HackNaija
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this isnt an athletic sport LMAO

#97
koromast
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gc didnt because they know stronger competition make stronger women, ask g2 gozen if they were worried about trans women when they won gc championship owning all of them on 2022

#111
Existential_crisis
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Then what is need of gc even . Strong competition can be found in league matches .

#114
koromast
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you being serious? gc is made because teams will never sign women with your mindset, and they will never become good they have to start from 0 on gc, their own league with their own orgs and F/A teams

#4
Karmine_Org_WhispeR
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If people call Flor tier 1 level

expect criticism, but why call it cringe or trasnphobic? Never had anything to do with Flor being trans.

Why can’t we give the same amount of standards to them when criticizing them?

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riverisdumb
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criticism ≠ straight up hate

#13
Karmine_Org_WhispeR
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You’re acting as if everyone hates Flor. A lot had disagreed with Flor being a Tier 1 player, but at the same time presenting reasons why she isn’t on that level yet and can still improve, or even call her bad but is it a bad thing? No, you address criticism in a negative or positive manner. Let’s give her the benefit of the doubt, but not overhype her WAY too much.

#17
riverisdumb
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not saying that everyone hates her?
im just saying the people that do actively hate on her are just corny and always say shit without any knowledge of the gc scene

#30
Karmine_Org_WhispeR
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To be fair, her hate came from way too much hype, building up expectations that she may actually be really good, but when she lost to a tier 3 to tier 2 team in Qualifiers, that’s when it developed into people calling her a fraud 24/7 like an incel.

#38
riverisdumb
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that's fair

#104
tuffybass
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more like a t4 to t3 team

#28
Pengu12
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I’ve never seen people who aren’t transphobic hate on Flor

#8
tsmsobadholy
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4 actual females should be playing in place of these dudes bruh thats the real issue...

#9
riverisdumb
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brainrot

#15
FNC_Ajay
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1

#86
MneMaloMaloMaloTebya
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o7

#108
CoCloudy
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you are a loser lmfao

#18
fawning
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GC is a inclusive league, also EG had like 3 nb so the argument should go against them too?

#31
FNC_Ajay
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Should go against every team with nb

#32
fawning
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the argument that she's trans that's why she so dominant isn't true, if that were true why did g2 came champions and eg sucked ass while having 3 nb

#33
fawning
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also dodonut is the true goat 🐐🐐🐐🐐

#36
FNC_Ajay
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G2 is goat team

Before nb flor wasn't involved

They were killing in gc

#39
fawning
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shut up fnc flair go to your doghouse and wait 2 months

#58
mouth_breather
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mfs stupid as hell. gc is for women and marginalised genders, being transgender is marginalised so obviously she should be playing in gc

#61
alecksdesk
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if SR doesnt qualify for the next challengers, I hope to see flor somewhere else and I say that as a SR fan.

she is just too talented not to trial for a tier2 and eventually hopefully get into tier1 when shes 18. its just very clear from the eye test.

and to all "shes playing againsts farmers", go to her random matches vs proven tier2 teams, she farms them the same way.

#62
riverisdumb
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flor in T1 would be fucking sick

#66
Existential_crisis
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True . She/he have talent and it needs competition to get better . Should be competing in leagues instead of gc .

#68
riverisdumb
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man you still on this?? go flip my burger's
don't forget the ketchup fella

#70
Existential_crisis
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I noticed your name just now . Hi there river .

#73
riverisdumb
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you scare me..

#71
soonwookong
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yeah, no, who tf would she replace

#87
MneMaloMaloMaloTebya
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never happening lol

#63
mouth_breather
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fr, i really hope an org picks her up she has so much potential

#65
riverisdumb
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FlyQuest Florescent 🔥🔥🔥

#74
Xabrusca
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In fact Liquid did not have

#75
TM06Nick
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Just easy to dunk on trans women cause the mods here happily support the users spreading both misinformation and toxic thoughts about trans women/people in general

#80
AvgRossiFan
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Hot take incoming, while Its perfectly alright to continue playing gc, flor has already farmed the league at its highest level, should have joined a t2 team to improve and challenge themselves

#84
shubham932002
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When you can't win in the tier 2 men's league what do u do to be successful, u compete in the women's league as simple as that.

#88
realvizierr
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it's the obvious truth and yet people think he has any talent lol

#92
shubham932002
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He will get destroyed in tier 2 and we saw some glimpse of it when sr competed in tier 2.

#95
dapada
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he won't suck your dick lil bro

#98
Conut
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the thing is, if flor wasnt a good player NO ONE WOULD CARE AT ALL

#105
tuffybass
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not true no men should be allowed to play in gc it is supposed to be a women's league and it's just filled with men. Just like NBA and WNBA. both genders can be in the NBA/VCT but men aren't allowed in the other. There is 0 chance trans girls would be allowed to play in WNBA, should be the same way in GC. Also are trans men not marginalized? If you allow actual men to participate in GC but then don't allow actual females that think they are a dude play what's the point

#106
Conut
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Im not quite sure if you understand but its not a womens league XD.... it literally says marginalized genders r u daft

also if a trans man was playing would you care?

#117
tuffybass
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no because it's an actual woman. It is clearly a women's league if they won't let trans men compete

#118
Conut
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Riot says otherwise

#101
BrotherMan
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i just came to say hi

#102
_s
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That is one of the reasons I don't watch Game Changer.

#107
ballsinyojaws
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there's a reason no one watches Gamechangers, people just don't like seeing men compete in what is supposed to be an all female tournament, doesn't matter if you call them a "she", it doesn't change the fact that they are men

#113
raka
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plus 1

clueless woke kids don't understand the advantages that born male players have over women, yet they want women to get more chances at competing in their own division

#110
SmartPerson
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🤸🏿‍♂️

#115
yuriito
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These people are just jealous, flor is the GOAT

#120
LilRickyy
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I think we all just play in 1 fucking league and stop bitching about it. Like if ur ass ur ass and if ur the goats ur the goats... Idgaf is a purple helicopter with 4 dicks won it. I just want good content bro

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