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Jeffo

Losing to collegiate teams is crazy 😂😂😂😭😭😭🤣🤣😭😭😂🤣😭😂🤣😭

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collegiate teams unironically clear 85% of eu tier 2. i am not even making fun of eu or joking about eu this time i am spitting facts.

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what does EU have to do with this post? crazy how you get upvotes for straight up lies but i guess its na prime time on vlr

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Jeffo

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I'm not even from EU 🤣🤣
But saying a random collegiate team is better than T2 EU to defend SR is crazy

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Flumplestiltski

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Because the post is calling one team really bad for losing to a bad team, when Winthrop isn't really a bad team at all. He is contextualizing the situation by relating it to the region jeffo watches.

Cry and play the victim some more plz

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Jeffo

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Liquid is an NA organisation, maybe valorant kids don't know that.
And Winthrop is not even close to tier 2 from any region, they literally lose to breakthru academy

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Ballsamolee

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Edit this comment before you have the chance. Prepare to be fucking flamed off this site

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MneMaloMaloMaloTebya

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Prepare to be fucking flamed off this site

this has to be top 10 cringiest posts on vlr

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Flumplestiltski

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Dude the team play in EU and since they r ur banner I figured u watched. If you think that's a crazy assumption then ur a silly goose

Liquid based in Netherlands BTW

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Jeffo

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Their original teams in esports were NA.
And i watch every region equally, except CN which I'll try to do more of this year.
So i really wouldn't mind you flaming any region, but assuming winthrop is better than any T2 from any region is crazy, they're not even t2 in their own region

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Flumplestiltski

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Don't think they r better than all non NA T2 teams. Just think they r good enough to be considered a T2 team if they weren't in NA

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Jeffo

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No, they're not

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I'm sure you will understand if I disagree with a person who doesn't even know where their favorite team is based. Bc it's always been the netherlands LOL

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Jeffo

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I have been to their locals, i live close to utrecht. ( Just before you think I'm from EU, i just came here for studies, i don't even speak a word of dutch)
I never said they're based in NA, they were always an NA org until valorant, too bad you weren't there.
But you can Google top NA orga 2019 or 2020 or even before, you'll always find liquid
Or I'll just do it for you
https://nerdstreet.com/news/2021/12/top-10-north-american-esports-orgs-2021

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Jitu

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Their original teams in esports were NA.

i mean you're literally just wrong, i hope you don't consider urself a fan of the organization itself and actually think that. Let's say you don't count their start as a Brood War clan. Their first two professional players that they signed in SC2 were a German and Swedish player. They were a European team first, and an NA team second

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"LiQuId Is An Na OrGaNiZaTiOn, MaYbE vAlOrAnT kIdS dOn'T kNoW tHaT."- Jeffo, 2024

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simo98

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Team_Liquid

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Jeffo

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https://nerdstreet.com/news/2021/12/top-10-north-american-esports-orgs-2021
They're based in brazil and utrecht, but they played in NA until valorant.

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Ballsamolee

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This is the most braindead shit i have ever seen. liquid started in the netherlands and have offices around the world. you call yourself a liquid fan but you dont even know where liquid is from 🤣🤣🤣. change your flair LMFAO.

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Jeffo

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I mean you can submit a ticket to nerdstreet and call them braindead, or other newspapers that listed liquid as an NA org before valorant release

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simo98

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Do u know FAZE have based in Thailand ?
Do u know T1 have based in NA before ?
Do u know RRQ have based in Brazil ?
Do u know Gen G have based in NA before ?

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Jeffo

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It's NA time, not the time to be reasonable, just overreact and say crazy braindead shit without having a clue what reality is like

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simo98

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Bro u saying just like
HIP HOP IS SONG FROM AFRICA - AMERICAN PEOPLE BUT ACTUALLY IS FROM JAPAN.
what do u mean is braindead ?

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Conceit

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I know you're actually just a stupid fucking moron and there is no point in arguing with you but I like having fun so
https://escharts.com/organizations/team-liquid#:~:text=Team%20Liquid%20is%20a%20professional,formed%20a%20PlayerUnknown%27s%20Battlegrounds%20division.
They were founded in the Netherlands, therefore they are a european org no matter where they play, UNLESS they moved location of residence, which they have not. It is common for orgs to field rosters oversees (see G2 for an example currently) while the org is still not an org in that region. I know this might be too complicated for your peanut brain to understand but that is just how it works.

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Kiko

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lets calm down and not act like winthrop doesn't dookie on shitquid

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Jeffo

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Who are these lowly immortals that gc champ is losing to💀

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Kiko

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"immortals"

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babysasuke

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Not fair to call GC teams chokers ever until a single one shows up in T2

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Jeffo

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True, they just straight up not good enough for tier 2

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Ballsamolee

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literally in any other region they would qualify for challengers

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simurgh

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Ok now, let's not go that far, shall we?? Ngl, I think there should be a limit to delusion or bad take.

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Ballsamolee

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Which region would they wont? NA has already proved numerous times on how they have the most competitive tier 2-3 scene.

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Jeffo

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When they qualify in NA we'll see about other regions.
Why you changing subject and making it about regions bro, they're an NA team that's not good enough to get out of open qualifiers in NA region. End of the subject, why you have to find excuses with hypothetical sht that you have no clue about

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CremeOnToast

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Not hypothetical
NA tier 2 is factually, 100% the best T2 region

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Flumplestiltski

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I mean I'm not an expert on other regions Tier 2 but from what I've seen NA Tier 2 is levels above the rest. Pros admit that there are multiple teams in NA T2 good enough to play in vct. Which makes sense since we have the most players and orgs

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Jeffo

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Where have you seen that? Did you see tier2 worldwide competition? I'd love to see that, but if you haven't then you just don't know

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Ballsamolee

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it’s the amount of tier 2 upsets against tier 1 in NA specifically which sets them apart from other regions and the amount of players who have set their mark in tier 2 and 1 NA valorant right now. like in both ludwig tarik invitationals the top 2 teams were both tier 2. also these teams arent nobodies either. one of them has a world champion igl with a solid team while the other is a team who nearly beat fnatic with a content creator. also another reason is the talent pool. even in the bottom of the barrel of challengers players (such as n4rrate) were able to make it to a tier 1 team from a team which got relegated (in every other region nearly all tier 2 pickups were from top challengers teams except karon from what i can remember). also it is the amount of talent in tier 3 also. in other regions you dont really hear much about tier 3 players which deserved to be in tier 2, but in americas there were players such as runi, purer, marved, c4lypso, will, aleksander, etc. it was how c9 was able to perform decent last year without buying out tier 2 players.

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Jeffo

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Upsets from the best 3 NA t2 teams vs SEN, C9 and 100T in off season tourneys means that NA t2 is better than t1?
I mean Fokus beats T1 teams every now and then and no one dares to say they're better or whatever the statement is, you guys just delusional.
Considering talent, did you hear of something before 2023? He's one of the best players in the world now.
Talent exists everywhere, NA has one thing over other regions, and it's PR, not what you listed

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Ballsamolee

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I did know about something before mainly because of his kill record, but he wasnt tier 3 nor was he on a shit tier 2 roster. I agree talent exists everywhere but NA just has more than other regions.

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Jeffo

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The kill record was a month before he got signed, i said before 2023.
You have no proof that NA has more talent than other regions, especially when there are imports from other regions in NA

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Flumplestiltski

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I do watch some T2 games of other regions, especially the important games that are supposed to be the best T2 teams. But ya I totally watch more NA T2 which is why I said "I'm not an expert but from what I've seen"
And i literally was watching vanity's stream today and he was talking about T2 teams/players good enough for T1 and I have heard this from multiple other T1 pros too in NA.

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Sure "some" teams in T2 NA are capable of competing in T1. Sure NA as a region is one of the most competitive regions in the World. I agree with these statements. But to go as far as saying T4 NA could dominate T2 in other regions is borderline a fucking retard statement.

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Being literally a game off of T2 makes u T4?
I mean at worst they have to be considered T2.5 at the worst. They are as close to being T2 as u can get

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Feels like its gonna take forever for game changers teams to catch up

Even if SR qual to closed they will have to play mxm 💀💀 oxg 💀💀💀💀 M80 💀💀💀💀💀💀

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Do they play in closed? Aren’t they guaranteed

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They have to win their game right now, and one more tomm. If they fail they have another chance in a couple of weeks but by then vct starts soooooo #NRG HYPE

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Realistically those 3 clear but I’d like to see a fair bracket without the solidified Challengers teams

Still speaks volumes to get this far in a scene as competitive as NA Challengers

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I agree

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AstroGalaxy

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Fuck riot!

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Jeffo

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Speaks volume to get as far as round 16 of open quals as the champions of the world with an almost flawless run?
Speaks volume of how big the gap between tier 2 and GC is.

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grenji

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winthrop would probably beat apeks and M8 lets be honest here

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Jeffo

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NA delusions, they lost to a team of randoms playing together called the Basement and you comparing them to a team already in tier 1 and another which every player got into tier 1 💀

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chill out guys ,, no offense but top tier 2 teams clear top t1 gc teams

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Jeffo

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Winthrop is not tier 2, tier 4 or 3 at best.
Tier 2 is mxs, m80, oxg...

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funny how they are participating and doing well in a TIER 2 tounament and you're calling them tier 3 or 4, mxs m80 oxg are tier 1 level teams in a tier 2 org

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Jeffo

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That's an open qualifier to the tier 2 tournament, you can participate in this qualifiers, and you definitely are not tier 2,3 nor 4

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meadows

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Jerk is built different

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ZettGundam

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Urm I thought for it to be a "choke" one have to be in a comfortable position to win

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TheAceGamer30

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Eu fans are so delusional