Why is saying VIT will be top 2 itw controversial

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Yessirskiiii

Sayf - Top 7-8 player itw
RunneR - Top 3 duelist itw, top 5 at worst
Cender - One of the most underrated players itw for a while
Destrian - a question mark but solid
Kicks - One of the top initiators in the best region

This team on paper is only bettered by FNC, we all agree right? LOUD lost their best/2nd best player. EG fell apart. NAVI are the only legit shout right now for the 2nd best team itw over Vitality, maybe LEV if they gel, FUT is a shout too.

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Obsidian_Echo

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just replace itw with in emea.......................and we good

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Yessirskiiii

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Top 2 EU = Top 2 ITW most of the time.
However, in this case, LOUD or EG could have been argued to be better. Both teams got significantly nerfed tho. LEV/NAVI/FUT are the only teams in the running for the 2nd best team itw together with Vitality

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number2_cNed_fan

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I would put Lev and NRG as potential 2nd itw

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Yessirskiiii

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NRG 🤣🤣🤣🤣

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number2_cNed_fan

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gotta give the NA people something

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LyCan52

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bcoz

https://www.vlr.gg/289453/team-vitality-vs-fut-esports-convergence-2023-gf

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Dude, it's a meaningless off season game. I think FUT will be top 4 EU throughout the year but VIT/NAVI have a higher ceiling.

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LyCan52

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Cend and yetijey are upgrade for fut
Ardiss is a downgrade from cNed
🗿I think it's sayf to say fut is atleast better than navi 🗿👍

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NAVI are a proven force with Ardiis. Yetu hasn't even played a single VCT game and FUT haven't even touched semi-finals.

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alright g

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That's crazy 😂😧

#y0yster

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LyCan52

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hit your head as hard as you can against the wall 🗿👍

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Cender is dogshit, rest is true though

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Yessirskiiii

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Nah man you trolling with this take

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Destrian is the biggest question mark
Nvm he's not the igl

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Yessirskiiii

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Still the biggest question mark 😂😂

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ceNder's calling ability is pretty unknown for now, but he isn't shit in anyway. He has good mechanics and his impact on low buys is insane. I wouldn't be surprised if his impact with Sheriffs was the highest, guiy always wins them rounds with it. Also need to remember that he just role swapped from sentinel.

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cender is the igl

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Yessirskiiii

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Noted brudda. Destrian was doing IGLing last season so thought he stuck with the role.

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-Artorias

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0-10 lul

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Yessirskiiii

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Meaningless off season games don't mean shit buddy

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They gonna lose again anyway🥱

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number2_cNed_fan

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Man i thought u got banned :(

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Runner, a nobody who played well against GE and Furia and before that was decent in one of a million EMEA t2 leagues. Suddenly he is 3rd best duelist in the world 😂 😆 😝

Everyone else you mention other than sayf is a top t2 player with the potential to be decent in t1

Random delusional eu farmers league enjoyer “ VIT ARE TOP 2 IN THE WORLD” right after they lost convincingly to Fut a team that barely beat GenG.

Eu education at its finest.

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Yessirskiiii

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It's a meaningless off season game. Also, winning against a team doesn't mean you're automatically better btw. TL beat FNC this year in a BO5

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emirerays

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Another shit take by you runner is not even top 3 in emea

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Yessirskiiii

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Ahahaha what a dogshit take you donkey

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Gutssz

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seni ozledim biliyor musun, yagmurlu geceler sensiz gecmiyor

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emirerays

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😔😔😔😔😔 dersler biraz kalın bu aralar pek aktif değilim. Lig başlasın yine liquidi kötülemeye geleceğim merak etme

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benim de dersler kalın... sayısal tasarım, diferansiyel, javascript + alttan aldığım mat1... mental olarak zorlu durumdayız hocam ayrıca tabi başka meselelerde var HAYAT ZOR (Liquid kötülemeye en ön sırada ben varım sadece nAts övcem)

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emirerays

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o kadro ne oyle ya liquidin keiko kim alacaktın cNedi ya da hic yollamayacktın sayfı

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Gutssz

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ardiisi hoplattiginda Keiko kim konusalim, Sayf denen fraud herife güzel sozlerim var zaten

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emirerays

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Ardiisi hoplatırda navi kadrosu kalın gelir şuanki liquide naviyi yenecek 2 takım var fut fnatic

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Gutssz

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Sayf top 8 😭😭
RunnerR what?
cenwho?
Destrian is not even t2 player
Kicks is good but still not at the top

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Yessirskiiii

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Sayf is top 8 or at the very least super close to it
RunneR is absolutely one of the best duelists out there
Cender always been underrated, also had the most kills vs FUT too
Destrian is definitely the question mark here
Kicks off of eye test is elite

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symbols07

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Sayf - Top 7-8 player itw
RunneR - Top 3 duelist itw, top 5 at worst
Cender - One of the most underrated players itw for a while
Destrian - a question mark but solid
Kicks - One of the top initiators in the best region

you lowballed sayf and over exaggerated everyone else(among those you praised)

so yeah not accurate. possibly capable of top 2 emea, but itw is setting a crazy expectation

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Yessirskiiii

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I didn't lowball Sayf at all. He's one of the best player itw and that's what i said. Also i specifically mentioned why they have a great shot at being top 2 (LOUD, EG, PRX nerfed)

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You forgot about NRG

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Yessirskiiii

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Kinda mid tbh

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Asuna_Yuuki

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How?

They are definitely top 2 team itw on paper

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Yessirskiiii

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Top 5 teams itw in order: FNC, VIT, NAVI, LEV and then comes FUT/NRG

Not top 2

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Cacachocolat

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with cocktor and shitties? yeah ok

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Asuna_Yuuki

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Victor and crashies are GOATs bro

Why do you think they are bad

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Breloof

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Billy billy

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usersux

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I think vit need better igl or coach

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peyoek

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Ur making ppl dislike vitality retard

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patuj

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I doubt, but my takes on them:
I think Destrian is the biggest problem currently. I think he is ok and nothing against him, but I don't really know his value on this team. If he was the IGL then it would make sense, but he isn't. If Vitality managed to replace him with someone who on paper was better Vitality would insantly jump up in my ratings. Like the rumors of VIT Trexx(don't know where this came from) would instantly sky rocket the potential of this team in my mind. Destrian might add into comms and stuff, but his mechanical impact is usually pretty low and he is the clear weak link especially if Kicks and runneR can keep performing.

Also ceNder's calling is unknown for now. Otherwise he is good IMO.

Rest of the roster looks good and promising.

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The_Cleg

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Cender and destrian are under-par and that's the truth.

Sayf could be top 10 itw but with the new role it's all to see if he can mantain that level of performance.

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Yessirskiiii

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Where did this narrative come from that Cender is under par? Destrian i can kinda get with but not Cender.

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The_Cleg

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It's not a narrative. Not one time Ive watched cender play I thought he was any better than mid.