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USCK

I feel like the reason he suffers at Navi is because he doesn’t fit the team and the roles they want him to play rather than him being out of form because he still has those games where he will pop off for the team

So I think Ardiis and cNed swapping teams could lowkey benefit both Navi and NRG

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u clearly havent seen his killjoy yet

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USCK

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What did you expect? I have never in my life seen cNed play killjoy even back in the BBL days before he did with Navi

The guy has no experience with the character

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aylez

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cned’s killjoy rivals alfajer, idk what ur talking about

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USCK

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Your right my bad

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shes spittin fax ^_^

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Keithjoy clears

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fayde

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You clearly haven’t seen his deadlock

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you clearly haven't seen his astra 🤡

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you clearly havent seen his phoenix

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You clearly haven't seen his viper

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you clearly haven't seen his cypher

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Congo1

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You clearly havent seen his mother

(Nice lady)

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Source?

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WinterZ20

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you clearly havent seen his sova

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i think sideshow said in the last platchat episode. navi just doesnt believe in his abilities or just ignore him in their gameplans. when you see kang kang you can see the team having their round gameplans based on what kang kang wants to do, or what the team wants to do with keeping in mind how kangkang can play his role in that. navi just give cned the op and then angel pushes smokes on defense and die , suy holds a site, dies without getting a pick, navi are left to a 3v5 retake with cned on op and he has to save. he just cant show his impact.

(again i am not a cned/navi glazer, this is basically sideshow's opinion which i 100% agree)

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his problem is that he is not flexible at all

one of the reasons old FPX could get away with troll comps was because of ardiis' ability to play just about any agent, with cNed thats no longer possible and it really limits NaVi.

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he's not "not flexible at all"

its: "he can only play ONE agent"

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WinterZ20

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yes this is what I meant but I didn't want a certain someone crying in my replies so I tried to soften the blow

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Ideer

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He was playing yoru,Sage ,raze ,jett ,neon and and he had the most acs or rating nearly on everu game.If navi s bad rn its not about cned its about zyypan ,shao and suy concistancy,you can clearly noticy cned clears ardiis lf you watch nrg games,even on navi vs nrg cned was souch better

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https://www.vlr.gg/213201/natus-vincere-vs-fut-esports-champions-tour-2023-emea-league-lr2

but you also need to realize that navi are accommodating for cneds lack of flexibility and playing agents they arent comfortable with (ie: shao on omen, suygetsu on kj)

if suygetsu learns kj navi doesnt have anymore issues imo

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Ideer

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İts was his worst game and his teammtes also ,i can give you alotsof game cned who was carriying navi and also it was a seeding game

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bobkiller

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"navi are accommodating for cneds lack of flexibility and playing agents they arent comfortable with"

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Ideer

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No cned is accommodating for navi,you can notice nobody s playing yoru on eu cned s playing only.Navi problem is not about cned flexibility he has good stats on raze,their problem is consistency .you font have to hate an op player cus youre fanı of another op player:))

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bobkiller

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i dont hate on cned hes just not the right player for navi

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Ideer

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that's why, brother, trust me , their main problem is ang1l's chaotic game thoughts , when they hang this up, they're potentially maybe the most talented team in the world

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USCK

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Thats why I think at the start of this season they should have focused on making cNed a more flexible player instead of trying to do it now

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they did though

they made him try raze but turns out he cant play anything other than jett

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USCK

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Thats why he was the 4th highest rated Raze in the tournament in terms of ACS?

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WinterZ20

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nah cNed's raze is passable (albeit far worse than Zyppans)

they should've made him learn Skye/Breach/Viper imo so that Zyppan can focus more on Raze. That would've solved a lot of the role and comp issues imo

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Ideer

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Bro is kangkang fun probably ,so he shit on cned ,cus he knows cned can be only competition about operatör with kk

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bobkiller

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? yeah kk clears cned on the op, which is the only thing he excels at

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his raze was very decent. his satchels were good and when navi lost with cned on raze, it definitely wasnt because cned's raze was bad or lacking. the teams ideas and strats were shit.

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Katharize

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They should just get jemkin, really good raze, reyna, jett probably would fit in Navi.

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I wouldn't include reyna personally

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WinterZ20

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If I were NaVi mgmt I'd go for either DaviH or tomaszy

both hyper flexible and cracked players

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Katharize

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They should just get ardiss back at this point 💀

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Navi doesmt need a reyna jett raze player. Cned can already play all of those agents. They need a player who can play any role which ich really stupid imo because they wont ever get the superstar ratings out of that kind of player

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Katharize

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Cned raze kinda trash, zyppan better

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Zyppan is absolutely vetter but cned rate is not trash bro. It isnt great either. saying his raze is trash is a reach. He did decent everytime he played her

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Katharize

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what I mean is his Jett/OP talents are being wasted on Raze or other agents(yoru💀), Navi should be structured toward using him as carry

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His problem is he's stuck with AngOl and DoOmbrus, who obviously don't want to win.
Come on bro, he's a champs winning player, he's cned. Let him play Jett in every game, but no, these losers just keep using him as a test subject with Sage and yoru

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Reminds me of cough LOU cough D

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Nah cned is really washed

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cned fell off after the jett nerfs.

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you clearly havent seen his sova(Leo who?)

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Everyone knows cned for his operator and he is tied to a single agent, even nivera is better than him in op and can play Flex while cned played in stash e-sports while nivera was both a rifle and operator player in cs go tier 1 team