aylez [#2]u clearly havent seen his killjoy yet
What did you expect? I have never in my life seen cNed play killjoy even back in the BBL days before he did with Navi
The guy has no experience with the character
i think sideshow said in the last platchat episode. navi just doesnt believe in his abilities or just ignore him in their gameplans. when you see kang kang you can see the team having their round gameplans based on what kang kang wants to do, or what the team wants to do with keeping in mind how kangkang can play his role in that. navi just give cned the op and then angel pushes smokes on defense and die , suy holds a site, dies without getting a pick, navi are left to a 3v5 retake with cned on op and he has to save. he just cant show his impact.
(again i am not a cned/navi glazer, this is basically sideshow's opinion which i 100% agree)
WinterZ20 [#15]his problem is that he is not flexible at all
one of the reasons old FPX could get away with troll comps was because of ardiis' ability to play just about any agent, with cNed thats no longer possible and it really limits NaVi.
he's not "not flexible at all"
its: "he can only play ONE agent"
WinterZ20 [#15]his problem is that he is not flexible at all
one of the reasons old FPX could get away with troll comps was because of ardiis' ability to play just about any agent, with cNed thats no longer possible and it really limits NaVi.
Thats why I think at the start of this season they should have focused on making cNed a more flexible player instead of trying to do it now
USCK [#17]Thats why I think at the start of this season they should have focused on making cNed a more flexible player instead of trying to do it now
they did though
they made him try raze but turns out he cant play anything other than jett
bobkiller [#18]they did though
they made him try raze but turns out he cant play anything other than jett
Thats why he was the 4th highest rated Raze in the tournament in terms of ACS?
bobkiller [#16]he's not "not flexible at all"
its: "he can only play ONE agent"
yes this is what I meant but I didn't want a certain someone crying in my replies so I tried to soften the blow
bobkiller [#16]he's not "not flexible at all"
its: "he can only play ONE agent"
He was playing yoru,Sage ,raze ,jett ,neon and and he had the most acs or rating nearly on everu game.If navi s bad rn its not about cned its about zyypan ,shao and suy concistancy,you can clearly noticy cned clears ardiis lf you watch nrg games,even on navi vs nrg cned was souch better
WinterZ20 [#15]his problem is that he is not flexible at all
one of the reasons old FPX could get away with troll comps was because of ardiis' ability to play just about any agent, with cNed thats no longer possible and it really limits NaVi.
They should just get jemkin, really good raze, reyna, jett probably would fit in Navi.
bobkiller [#18]they did though
they made him try raze but turns out he cant play anything other than jett
nah cNed's raze is passable (albeit far worse than Zyppans)
they should've made him learn Skye/Breach/Viper imo so that Zyppan can focus more on Raze. That would've solved a lot of the role and comp issues imo
Katharize [#23]They should just get jemkin, really good raze, reyna, jett probably would fit in Navi.
I wouldn't include reyna personally
Katharize [#23]They should just get jemkin, really good raze, reyna, jett probably would fit in Navi.
If I were NaVi mgmt I'd go for either DaviH or tomaszy
both hyper flexible and cracked players
Katharize [#23]They should just get jemkin, really good raze, reyna, jett probably would fit in Navi.
Navi doesmt need a reyna jett raze player. Cned can already play all of those agents. They need a player who can play any role which ich really stupid imo because they wont ever get the superstar ratings out of that kind of player
Ideer [#22]He was playing yoru,Sage ,raze ,jett ,neon and and he had the most acs or rating nearly on everu game.If navi s bad rn its not about cned its about zyypan ,shao and suy concistancy,you can clearly noticy cned clears ardiis lf you watch nrg games,even on navi vs nrg cned was souch better
https://www.vlr.gg/213201/natus-vincere-vs-fut-esports-champions-tour-2023-emea-league-lr2
but you also need to realize that navi are accommodating for cneds lack of flexibility and playing agents they arent comfortable with (ie: shao on omen, suygetsu on kj)
if suygetsu learns kj navi doesnt have anymore issues imo
bobkiller [#18]they did though
they made him try raze but turns out he cant play anything other than jett
Bro is kangkang fun probably ,so he shit on cned ,cus he knows cned can be only competition about operatör with kk
Ideer [#29]Bro is kangkang fun probably ,so he shit on cned ,cus he knows cned can be only competition about operatör with kk
? yeah kk clears cned on the op, which is the only thing he excels at
bobkiller [#28]https://www.vlr.gg/213201/natus-vincere-vs-fut-esports-champions-tour-2023-emea-league-lr2
but you also need to realize that navi are accommodating for cneds lack of flexibility and playing agents they arent comfortable with (ie: shao on omen, suygetsu on kj)
if suygetsu learns kj navi doesnt have anymore issues imo
İts was his worst game and his teammtes also ,i can give you alotsof game cned who was carriying navi and also it was a seeding game
Ideer [#31]İts was his worst game and his teammtes also ,i can give you alotsof game cned who was carriying navi and also it was a seeding game
"navi are accommodating for cneds lack of flexibility and playing agents they arent comfortable with"
bobkiller [#32]"navi are accommodating for cneds lack of flexibility and playing agents they arent comfortable with"
No cned is accommodating for navi,you can notice nobody s playing yoru on eu cned s playing only.Navi problem is not about cned flexibility he has good stats on raze,their problem is consistency .you font have to hate an op player cus youre fanı of another op player:))
Ideer [#33]No cned is accommodating for navi,you can notice nobody s playing yoru on eu cned s playing only.Navi problem is not about cned flexibility he has good stats on raze,their problem is consistency .you font have to hate an op player cus youre fanı of another op player:))
i dont hate on cned hes just not the right player for navi
bobkiller [#35]i dont hate on cned hes just not the right player for navi
that's why, brother, trust me , their main problem is ang1l's chaotic game thoughts , when they hang this up, they're potentially maybe the most talented team in the world
WinterZ20 [#26]If I were NaVi mgmt I'd go for either DaviH or tomaszy
both hyper flexible and cracked players
They should just get ardiss back at this point 💀
Coldzera [#36]His problem is he's stuck with AngOl and DoOmbrus, who obviously don't want to win.
Come on bro, he's a champs winning player, he's cned. Let him play Jett in every game, but no, these losers just keep using him as a test subject with Sage and yoru
Reminds me of cough LOU cough D
definetlynotabait [#27]Navi doesmt need a reyna jett raze player. Cned can already play all of those agents. They need a player who can play any role which ich really stupid imo because they wont ever get the superstar ratings out of that kind of player
Cned raze kinda trash, zyppan better
bobkiller [#18]they did though
they made him try raze but turns out he cant play anything other than jett
his raze was very decent. his satchels were good and when navi lost with cned on raze, it definitely wasnt because cned's raze was bad or lacking. the teams ideas and strats were shit.
Katharize [#42]Cned raze kinda trash, zyppan better
Zyppan is absolutely vetter but cned rate is not trash bro. It isnt great either. saying his raze is trash is a reach. He did decent everytime he played her
definetlynotabait [#46]Zyppan is absolutely vetter but cned rate is not trash bro. It isnt great either. saying his raze is trash is a reach. He did decent everytime he played her
what I mean is his Jett/OP talents are being wasted on Raze or other agents(yoru💀), Navi should be structured toward using him as carry
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