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kbkdark

It's so satisfying see him playing as Initiator again, the impact that he brings to the team it's just ABSURD, what show us how good he is at this role and definitely in top 3 best Initiators itw

for me, the top 3 are (in no order):

Leo
Sacy
Cauanzin

HM: Cloud and Zyppan

EDIT/Disclaimer: I'm talking about players that use ONLY initiators, Flex players as Shao, Chronicle and Crashies are not included

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Shao ?

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kbkdark

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Shao is Flex, he play Smokes and Sentinel sometimes too

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Herrrr

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Typer

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What? He played Sentinel once or thrice in his whole carrer in Pro

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kbkdark

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Still a Flex player tho ¯|(ツ)/¯

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Mortadelo

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Then Sacy is a flex and a smoker too

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Gutssz

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He needs to put a Brazilian player on the list
don't force him

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kbkdark

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But Sacy played Smokes cuz of that role changes from Sykko fraud
But now he came back to Initiator fixed role

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Dokka

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But Shao played Smokes cuz of that roles changes from doombros fraud
But now he came back to Initiator fixed role

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Mortadelo

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Shao has played more initiator in his life than Sacy

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Typer

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Dumb take . Sacy played controller during this VCT so Sacy is also flex?

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kbkdark

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seudama

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dumb take. he played smoke bc of tenz now that tenz is gone hes back

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eszett

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?? in the last 60 days shao played sage, killjoy, omen, astra wtf u talkin

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Cresp

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Thats the correct order! Also what about shao and crashies

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Pengu12

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Shao?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

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chloeburbank

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shao clear all those frauds

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Mortadelo

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Shao has to be above cauanzin imo

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Gutssz

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Cauanzin

least biased BR fan 💀💀💀
where is goat Shao dude?

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divisionbell

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Shao is a flex player
Played with Astra, Sage, Killjoy, Omen

EMEA fans are delusional, incredible

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Gutssz

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Zyppan is their flex player not Shao
cuz of goat ANGE1 they're cooking something

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divisionbell

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Zyppan 19 games = 14 Kay o, 4 Skye and 1 Fade
Shao 19 games = 11controller + sentinel, 8 initiator

the past doesn't matter, in this moment shao is a flex player

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If we count Kayo in the initiator role then Chronicle becomes #1

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chick

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Shao is not even an initiator player but a flex now, bro has more games on controller + sentinel than on initiators for the last 60 days

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divisionbell

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Thanks for that. EMEA fans are delusional.

Shao is a flex player in this moment

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whoagain

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top 5 itw
( no order)

sacy
shao
leo
cauanzin
crashies

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thiagomds

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wtf is this? it's clear that shao> leo.
sacy
shao
cauanzin
thats the correct list.

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s1nek

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1- Leo
2- Cloud
3- Nozwerr

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also Cloud > cau

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flair

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makewar

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Leo
Shao
Sacy
Crashies

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Or Leo Sacy Shao, regardless, those are the correct names

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agree. i am indecisive and i hate to rate things in order, specially when it's that close. to me, they are all the best we have and doesn't really matter the order

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Yeah it's really more of a tournament thing rather than overall players

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Omega_KEKW

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Recon

Leo
Sacy
Shao
Cloud
Crashies

Flash

Zyppan
Chronicle
Stax
Cauanzin
Mwzera

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Maybe Chronicle Over Zyppan but W list

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makewar

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common mortadelo w

i love chronicle

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kbkdark

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some vlr players can't read for real LMAO
I made a disclaimer and they're still writing about Shao and Crashies 💀💀💀

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the best way to see if a initiator is not a fraud if he can play insane with SOVA(you have to be smart, play for info and still frag). I didn't even need to say that sacy is the best with sova ultimate. Now compare all the top tier players bellow and take your conclusions.

https://www.vlr.gg/player/659/sacy/?timespan=all
https://www.vlr.gg/player/1380/leo/?timespan=all
https://www.vlr.gg/player/384/shao/?timespan=all
https://www.vlr.gg/player/4181/cloud/?timespan=all
https://www.vlr.gg/player/6193/cauanzin/?timespan=all
https://www.vlr.gg/player/4/crashies/?timespan=all
only leo is close to sacy but still a bit worse.

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Comparing regional stats makes no sense my friend. You will agree with me that the level of competition in EMEA and NA has always been higher than the teams Loud has had to play against.

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thiagomds

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individuals are the same. mwzera in a bad team diff the entire of FNC.

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Leo in a bad team diffed the entire OPTC...

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thiagomds

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that's why I think good players can show up even without S tier teams. Leo was always consistent.

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They can show up yes, but their overall stats will be lower, if you lose more you rounds you're rating and ACS literally goes down, it just works that way

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for sure but fnc and fpx were dominant last year for example. Before Loud every br team was losing and winning in a good competition.

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Leo was on guild and cloud on navi

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even losing or without beating fnc and fpx they have better stats than other players in S tier teams.

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Ic4rusYam2

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wikipedia: Saci is one of the most famous symbols of Brazilian folklore. Character has appeared in several books, films and plays. Saci-pererê is one of the main legends of Brazilian folklore, and its appearance dates back to the end of the 18th century.

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kbkdark

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Saci-pererê is one of the main legends of Brazilian folklore, and its appearance dates back to the end of the 18th century.

This fits Sacy from Valorant really well LMAO