It's so satisfying see him playing as Initiator again, the impact that he brings to the team it's just ABSURD, what show us how good he is at this role and definitely in top 3 best Initiators itw
for me, the top 3 are (in no order):
HM: Cloud and Zyppan
kbkdark [#6]Shao is Flex, he play Smokes and Sentinel sometimes too
What? He played Sentinel once or thrice in his whole carrer in Pro
Typer [#9]What? He played Sentinel once or thrice in his whole carrer in Pro
Still a Flex player tho ¯|(ツ)/¯
kbkdark [#11]Still a Flex player tho ¯|(ツ)/¯
Dumb take . Sacy played controller during this VCT so Sacy is also flex?
Mortadelo [#12]Then Sacy is a flex and a smoker too
He needs to put a Brazilian player on the list
don't force him
Mortadelo [#12]Then Sacy is a flex and a smoker too
But Sacy played Smokes cuz of that role changes from Sykko fraud
But now he came back to Initiator fixed role
divisionbell [#15]Shao is a flex player
Played with Astra, Sage, Killjoy, OmenEMEA fans are delusional, incredible
Zyppan is their flex player not Shao
cuz of goat ANGE1 they're cooking something
Typer [#9]What? He played Sentinel once or thrice in his whole carrer in Pro
?? in the last 60 days shao played sage, killjoy, omen, astra wtf u talkin
kbkdark [#17]But Sacy played Smokes cuz of that role changes from Sykko fraud
But now he came back to Initiator fixed role
But Shao played Smokes cuz of that roles changes from doombros fraud
But now he came back to Initiator fixed role
chick [#16]Shao is not even an initiator player but a flex now, bro has more games on controller + sentinel than on initiators for the last 60 days
Thanks for that. EMEA fans are delusional.
Shao is a flex player in this moment
Gutssz [#21]Zyppan is their flex player not Shao
cuz of goat ANGE1 they're cooking something
Zyppan 19 games = 14 Kay o, 4 Skye and 1 Fade
Shao 19 games = 11controller + sentinel, 8 initiator
the past doesn't matter, in this moment shao is a flex player
kbkdark [#17]But Sacy played Smokes cuz of that role changes from Sykko fraud
But now he came back to Initiator fixed role
Shao has played more initiator in his life than Sacy
divisionbell [#27]Zyppan 19 games = 14 Kay o, 4 Skye and 1 Fade
Shao 19 games = 11controller + sentinel, 8 initiatorthe past doesn't matter, in this moment shao is a flex player
If we count Kayo in the initiator role then Chronicle becomes #1
Omega_KEKW [#32]Recon
Leo
Sacy
Shao
Cloud
CrashiesFlash
Zyppan
Chronicle
Stax
Cauanzin
Mwzera
Maybe Chronicle Over Zyppan but W list
Mortadelo [#33]Or Leo Sacy Shao, regardless, those are the correct names
agree. i am indecisive and i hate to rate things in order, specially when it's that close. to me, they are all the best we have and doesn't really matter the order
makewar [#36]agree. i am indecisive and i hate to rate things in order, specially when it's that close. to me, they are all the best we have and doesn't really matter the order
Yeah it's really more of a tournament thing rather than overall players
the best way to see if a initiator is not a fraud if he can play insane with SOVA(you have to be smart, play for info and still frag). I didn't even need to say that sacy is the best with sova ultimate. Now compare all the top tier players bellow and take your conclusions.
https://www.vlr.gg/player/659/sacy/?timespan=all
https://www.vlr.gg/player/1380/leo/?timespan=all
https://www.vlr.gg/player/384/shao/?timespan=all
https://www.vlr.gg/player/4181/cloud/?timespan=all
https://www.vlr.gg/player/6193/cauanzin/?timespan=all
https://www.vlr.gg/player/4/crashies/?timespan=all
only leo is close to sacy but still a bit worse.
thiagomds [#39]the best way to see if a initiator is not a fraud if he can play insane with SOVA(you have to be smart, play for info and still frag). I didn't even need to say that sacy is the best with sova ultimate. Now compare all the top tier players bellow and take your conclusions.
https://www.vlr.gg/player/659/sacy/?timespan=all
https://www.vlr.gg/player/1380/leo/?timespan=all
https://www.vlr.gg/player/384/shao/?timespan=all
https://www.vlr.gg/player/4181/cloud/?timespan=all
https://www.vlr.gg/player/6193/cauanzin/?timespan=all
https://www.vlr.gg/player/4/crashies/?timespan=all
only leo is close to sacy but still a bit worse.
Comparing regional stats makes no sense my friend. You will agree with me that the level of competition in EMEA and NA has always been higher than the teams Loud has had to play against.
Mortadelo [#40]Comparing regional stats makes no sense my friend. You will agree with me that the level of competition in EMEA and NA has always been higher than the teams Loud has had to play against.
individuals are the same. mwzera in a bad team diff the entire of FNC.
thiagomds [#41]individuals are the same. mwzera in a bad team diff the entire of FNC.
Leo in a bad team diffed the entire OPTC...
Mortadelo [#42]Leo in a bad team diffed the entire OPTC...
that's why I think good players can show up even without S tier teams. Leo was always consistent.
thiagomds [#43]that's why I think good players can show up even without S tier teams. Leo was always consistent.
They can show up yes, but their overall stats will be lower, if you lose more you rounds you're rating and ACS literally goes down, it just works that way
Mortadelo [#44]They can show up yes, but their overall stats will be lower, if you lose more you rounds you're rating and ACS literally goes down, it just works that way
for sure but fnc and fpx were dominant last year for example. Before Loud every br team was losing and winning in a good competition.
thiagomds [#45]for sure but fnc and fpx were dominant last year for example. Before Loud every br team was losing and winning in a good competition.
Leo was on guild and cloud on navi
Mortadelo [#46]Leo was on guild and cloud on navi
even losing or without beating fnc and fpx they have better stats than other players in S tier teams.
Typer [#13]Dumb take . Sacy played controller during this VCT so Sacy is also flex?
dumb take. he played smoke bc of tenz now that tenz is gone hes back
Ic4rusYam2 [#49]wikipedia: Saci is one of the most famous symbols of Brazilian folklore. Character has appeared in several books, films and plays. Saci-pererê is one of the main legends of Brazilian folklore, and its appearance dates back to the end of the 18th century.
Saci-pererê is one of the main legends of Brazilian folklore, and its appearance dates back to the end of the 18th century.
This fits Sacy from Valorant really well LMAO
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