How deep is your knowledge, your top 20 players?

The obvious caveat here is that there's hardly anyone who can be considered the definite best player in the world. They are also made a bit more incomparable by their roles as well as the game which has oriented itself more towards strategies and team-chemistry increasingly. With that said, that won't stop us from arguing and hurling abuses against each other's best player.

I'll start, you might be able to gauge your own seasoned understanding by the conviction with which you view your placements. OK, here's my list; it is unavoidably arbitrary and based on eye-test and intuition to a certain extent. While achievements are a factor to me, I don't weigh them too heavily, I just prefer pure skills from what I've personally seen. A lot of players are unlucky and success consists of factors outside of their control. In addition, I also think some of the players' enjoyed the unbalanced meta and that their values were inflated beyond their actual level owing to the unbalanced agents.

Moreover, I think it's fair to consider the best player as the one who performed the best in the recent tournament, because there is a large gap between tourneys so any data we have coming into a tournament is likely outdated. This also prevents being surprised at the overperformance and underperformance of players, since there was a lot of time for change. IGL and tenz and cned ignored.

((All-time best for me: 1) Chronicle 2) yay 3) derke 4) less 5) shao 6) aspas 7) nats 8) crashies 9) mako 10) marved))

1. Leo
2. Shao
   (hard time deciding between Shao and Leo, I think Shao performs more consistently on LAN but Leo is more monstrous regionally)
3. Mako
   (godlike consistency for the longest time)
4. Less
   (best player on LOUD)
5. Derke
   (self-explanatory)
6. Aspas
   (self-explanatory)
7. Chronicle
   (all time GOAT imo, godlike flexibility and consistency)
8. nAts
   (nAts is still nAts)
9. crashies
   (underrated consistency, i'd say the best player on OpTic considered all-time for pure value he brings to the team, his imapct is more subtle)
10. Sayf (underrated imo, his mechanics are divine, would even rank him just below aspas but would get flamed for it)
11. Stax
12. Suygetsu (good multi killer but loses every 1v1 under the sun imo)
13. Alfajer
14. Marved
15. JINGG
16. Pancada
17. Sacy
18. Zyppan
19. dgzin
20. zekken (controversial)
21. k1ng
22. trexx
23. qw1
24. meteor
25. zmjjkk
26. sugarz3ro
27. f0rsaken
28. nukkye
29. mwzera
30. cned
31. nivera
32. ScreaM
33. Cloud
34. twisten
35. xeppa
36. leaf
37. victor
38. ardiis
39. Shin

Nivera above scream? Intresting. I think peak scream>peak nivera but nivera is more consistent and god screams igling isnt good.

Personally I don't like seeing jingg here based on his lockin and recent vpl performances, but he was good last year... I'm still not a fan of it tbh

horrible list

Get real bro has 19 posts and he still this this site harbors discussion. This site is about a lifelong eternal debate between regions and about saying a funny thing to get red number to go up on your post.

Mid where is Tenz

I'm happy you put stax at number 13, way too underrated

Jinggg and Marved at 11 and 12 and Suy and Alfa at 17 and 18 LMAO. I'll give you this tho. You got the top 2 right

Confused as to why players like Shin are in contention for 21 when Meteor, Laz, ZmjjKK, xffero/tehbotol, Sayaplayer, k1Ng, xeta, SugarZ3ro, Trent, Nukkye, Shyy, keznit have achieved more while performing better.

edit:
"best player as the one who performed the best in the recent tournament"

this is fair, but Meteor, ZmjjKK, k1Ng, SugarZ3ro, Nukkye, and Shyy have all performed better than Shin at LOCK//IN and in their respective VPL/VAL/VELs. And Trent is arguably one of, if not the best non-franchised player(s) in the world.