Lmfao 6/7 man rosters.

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Asphyxia

I was inspired by Noyn's essay on BR and LATAM so I'll make one about KR/JP.

So uhh. Of the 4 rosters that have qualified to Berlin from Korean and Japan, 3 have more than 5 players. This is quite odd with the only other 6 man roster being from LATAM which isn't really a 6 man roster because Bnj doesn't play.

So the teams from KR and JP are:
Vision Strikers(KR) (6 man roster)
F4Q(KR) (5 man roster)
Crazy Raccoon(JP) (7 man roster)
Zeta Division(JP) (6 man roster)

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So why?
Honestly... I have no Idea.

Crazy Raccoon were pulling some sus stuff but they are running a 7 man roster biw. And honestly It kinda makes sense how they are doing it. And Vision Strikers and Zeta Division seem like how a 6 man roster will be run in the future. It just provides some more agent choice while always having players on their best agents.

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Well. I'm show you how Crazy Raccon function below right here because. Uhh. I have too much time.

So Fisker, Munchkin, and Neth form the core of this team by being on the team at all times.

Fisker is Crazy Raccon's Jett player and he seems quite lackluster to me honestly but I guess it's not the worst choice.
Munchkin is Crazy Raccon's Skye player and I think he looks decent on the Skye but a little worse than when he was on other roles such as Sentinel or Duelist.
Neth is now Crazy Raccon's primary smoke player. He now plays Astra and Omen. But he used to play Raze and Jett at first and then switching to the Killjoy with Munchkin transferring to his role. But now he is on smokes while playing Sage if Ade is playing Viper on that map.

How the other 4 players work is:
Bazzi plays Breach and Sova on Split, Icebox and Breeze while Medusa plays Sova on Ascent and Haven.
Minty plays Killjoy and Sage on Haven, Split, and Ascent while Ade subs in on Breeze and Icebox to play Viper.

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Now I'll show you how Vision Strikers function because. I definitely don't have like 3 hours to waste.

So the core players are currently:

BuZz, the Star Jett player
Stax, the Breach/Skye (and Sadge) player
MaKo, the Viper/Astra player
K1ng, the Killjoy(Just Killjoy) player

The two other players are Rb and Lakia. Rb plays Sova, Skye, Sage, Raze, and Jett. While Lakia plays Sova, Skye and Raze. But Rb doesn't play Jett anymore because BuZz has picked up that role and Rb plays Raze instead of Lakia. So practically on every map. It's either Rb playing Sage, either Rb or Lakia on the Sova or Skye, or Bind where Rb and Lakia both play and K1ng subs out because Rb plays Raze and Lakia plays Skye to run a double initiator, double duelist comp.

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Now I'll show you how Zeta Divion function because they actually make sense.

So they have 2 smoke players which are Barce and Makiba. Barce plays Omen and Brim while Makiba plays Astra and Viper.

Simple as that lmfao. Why can't other 6 man rosters be like this.

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ok, cool man def not reading this sorry. + you could just make this shorter

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cringe

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Asphyxia

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Crazy Raccoon 7 man roster is like doing fucking physics.

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Okay, than leave ass

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wait CR is 7 man wasnt it 8?

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Asphyxia

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https://www.vlr.gg/team/277/crazy-raccoon/

I think Zepher was listed as content creation or something in the article maybe. Idk.

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CR eneded up with all them players cus they couldnt drop more than 2 from their original roster without loosing vct points.

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Tira

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It's 7-man roster
Zepher & Rion has been move to content creator division

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zenv

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i guess im blind

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i feel like not having lakia on full time when he is like one of the best players is such a waster of potential

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Asphyxia

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Idk. Rb has a slightly bigger agent pool and it seems they are experimenting with him but I think they are just putting him in place of Rb here and there to make him slowly transition into the roster.

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Good read. I think KR/JP are some of the few countries that can pull off a six man roster, since the players, in general, don't tend to have large egos or care about their individual stats in fear of getting dropped (unlike more competitive regions like NA/EU/BR)

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Asphyxia

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^ Also I think for Japan it's prob that it's the only way that they can import more Korean players LMFAO. jkjk.

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Sprouts

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lmao
Most popular Japanese player, atleast on the English side of things, is Korean

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Asphyxia

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Sadge :(

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Itsover

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Lakia as a sub is stupid af, VS poached him from a good team and they don't let him play, this move is gay and cringe ngl, if I were Lakia I would just learn English, move to any other region and destroy VS.

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Why did you use the term “gay” in a pejorative way?

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I really like how Zeta Division 6-man roster played tho
They just switch the smoker in the team, i wonder if they will use 2 controller dropping crow in berlin but yeah crow also can use viper :/

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Asphyxia

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True. I think it's the most sensible 6 man roster which I can see working for multiple teams in the future when more initiators and sentinels are released so you need more people to cover more ground with agent pools.

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CR eneded up with all them players cus they couldnt drop more than 2 from their original roster without loosing vct points.

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Asphyxia

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Lmfao true. But it's honestly odd that they'd have Bazzi over Medusa on certain maps. I think it works decently though. Because they now have strong team comps on every single map with everyone on their main agent. But I could see this making team synergy a mess.

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ShiningTyGuy

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Ya I havent watched any of their games so dont now how well they're utilizing the 7-man lineup. I think we all know how complicated even a 6-man lineup can be, so highly doubt this 7-man one will last past champions.

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Tira

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They probably gonna change it again after champions tho
7-man roster is just too much lmao, it makes you have bigger pool and more unpredictable but also make your synergy a mess

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ShiningTyGuy

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Ya the cons definitely out weigh the pros. 6-man rosters tend to be complicated enough, especially for the players. You never really want that kind of internal competition, at least imo.

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i mean, look at C9, they have like 8 players

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poiz and floppy is benched

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Noyn

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Good write up my friend, i’m proud to serve as inspiration for more people to create serious threads on this site, congratulations!

Something I will never understand is why Vision Strikers play with RB de Sova if they have maybe the best Sova in the world on the team (Lakia), is there a specific reason for this or are they just testing for the international championships since did they know they were going to win the VCT:KR anyway?

Another thing I'd like to know is how good you think Zeta Division is, I've heard very well on this team but I haven't seen them yet, I'm waiting for Sideshow/Wyatt to analyze the minor region teams so I can understand better how they play the meta. Do you consider them to be better than Crazy Raccoons and Patiphan's X10 that played in Iceland?

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Asphyxia

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Lmfao. I just saw ur thread and it said SEA/KR/JP/BR/LATAM. And I saw only BR and LATAM and I knew that you wanted us to show stuff for the rest. So this just gave me the idea to show wtf is going on with KR and JP.

I think for the Lakia Rb thing though. Is that Rb has a slightly larger agent pool which makes him absolutely essential for the team. But if they put Lakia on all of the Sova and Skye. Then Rb only plays on like 2 maps. Which makes it really hard to justify keeping him. But then you need to have other people learn his role. I think this might be the reason. But it's probably just that Lakia is learning how to play with Vision Strikers because they were putting him in here and there while Rb played in the Grand Finals just to make sure that they win it. Or maybe to save strats OwO. I think the Double initiator Double duelist comp would be a great idea to show to the world in Masters though if they run Lakia Rb on some maps such as Haven, Bind, and Ascent to show the old Korean style. I think it's fun to watch lmfao.

I think Zeta Division is definitely the strongest in Japan at the moment. I think it's much stronger than old Crazy Raccoon. They have a core of 3 players who just have pretty darn good firepower. Crazy Raccoon just had such little firepower and only on two players which were Munchkin and Neth. Zeta Division I think will look better than the SEA region. This is my opinion. But SEA can def pull something out of their ass with some of the best duelists in the world.

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LouBag

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I think VS only bought Lakia so they could have an easier time qualifying.

Pick up arguably the best player not already on your team just so you can bench him and not have to face him.

That’s like some mobster shit.

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Asphyxia

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Lmfao true. But they have put him in instead of Rb on some maps. And it seems that they're trying to put Rb on the same roles that Lakia would be on. I think they might do a similar thing to Zeta Division but with K1ng subbing out on bind for the Double Init Double Duelist comp. I think Lakia's Skye looks better than Rb's so they might have him as their main Skye and Rb on the Sova. This'll prob be the way they do it. But only time will tell.

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good read

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are 6 or 7 man rosters allowed in masters berlin, i mean could they change the 5-man squad for different maps in a match?

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Asphyxia

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I'm pretty sure it's allowed. I don't see a reason why it can't be allowed and there's no rule saying that you can't. The reason why most rosters don't do a 6 man roster is because of practice time and player ego.

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7 man rosters are definitely a juggernaut at the moment. But it worked out for the scene in JPN and KR so far (in their own region).

Looking at the pfp's of Zeta Division makes me fear for NA lol.

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Asphyxia

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Zeta Division logo looks like fashion brand lmfao. I mean like the only Japanese player with the heavy drip though is Neth from CR though. Zeta doesn't have the drip from the players. But they make up for that with the Logo.

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i thought medusa was the igl and the main translator for the team

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Asphyxia

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Wasn't Munchkin the IGL with Medusa translating or some dumb shit like that. Idk. But maybe Bazzi translates now? Or maybe Munchkin has learned enough Japanese to communicate decently and now Neth IGL's.