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"Randomized" Playoffs Bracket

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#1
Subreezy

I love how riot claims they randomized the champs playoff bracket, yet in playoffs they put Optic and XSet in the same side of the bracket and have 100T (assuming they qualify) playing either optic or xset round 1.

This isn't the first time they've done this:

  • Masters 1 Iceland, Optic vs Guard round 1
    (this was the only same region match up, since G2 and TL did not face each other round 1)
  • Masters 2 Copenhagen, Optic vs XSet round 1
    (this was dogshit for all regions since Fnatic faced FPX and Guild was on the same bracket side as them, but it was still NA vs NA regardless)
  • Masters 3 Berlin, SEN vs Envy (Optic) round 1
    (this was the most upsetting. Acend, Gambit, and G2 were all in separate round 1 games, yet SEN, Envy, and 100T were all on the same side of the bracket?)

It's annoying how Riot claims they randomize all of these playoff brackets, even though they likelyrig the brackets to avoid a same region grand finals for the sake of viewership (not just NA, but all regions). The odds of all 4 of these isolated incidents ending up having a same region matchup round 1 is too unlikely for it to be "random". I just think it's really shitty how disingenuous Riot's been with the brackets at every LAN. Let the 2 best teams get to Grand Finals without outside forces influencing the region matchups.

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i'm losing braincells with these bad takes.
"it's happens to EMEA too" (i dont give a fuck who it happens to, i just stated a fact that it happens to NA the most).
"it's not that unlikely" (the same bracket matchups happens too many times. NA vs NA round 1 in the 4th slot BOTH MASTERS?)

edit 2:

people asked for the math, here you go:

Guaranteed NA matchup for first 2 rounds in M3 Berlin: 1/3 (Envy and 100T on same side of bracket) x 1/2 (sentinels playing either Envy or 100T) = 1/6
Round 1 NA matchup in M1 Iceland: (Guard was 1st seed, Optic was 2nd, only 4 potential teams for optic to play against) = 1/4
Round 1 NA matchup in M2 Copenhagen: (XSet was 1st seed, Optic was 2nd, only 4 potential teams for optic to play against) = 1/4
Guaranteed NA matchup for first 2 rounds in Champs 2022: 1/3 (Optic and XSET on same side of bracket) x 1/2 (100T playing against one of them) =1/6

1/6 x 1/6 x 1/4 x 1/4 = 1/576 or 0.17% chance of all of these isolated incidents happening

the raw chance of 1 of these matchups happening isn't what pisses me off, it's the fact that ALL of them have happened and riot claims these brackets are randomized. the only time NA didn't have a round 1 matchup in playoffs was in Masters 2 Iceland, but NO region had a round 1 matchup.
If any mathematician wants to check my work, feel free to do so.

edit 3:

I forgot in M3 SEN had to face another 1st seed that wasn't G2, so it should be 1/3 * 2/3 = 1/3 (same applies to this years champs with 100T and DRX)

1/3 x 1/3 x 1/3 x 1/3 = 1/81 or 1.2%. credit to Noodle for pointing out the discrepancy

#2
Shao_show
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NA ( streamer region) = views

Riot wants NA in both upper and lower bracket.
Wriot actually

#30
Aladeenn
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Still this is better
Mostly ensures no NA v NA Upper final and possibly Grand Final
Same with EU - CIS

#3
ASTEROIDCHILD
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could've been avoided if 100t just won their game
but no the bracket is rigged by those scoundrels at riot
you'd think it would take worse than 1/12 odds for people to start claiming statistical anomaly

#9
Subreezy
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holy fuck do you even read? i listed how many times this has happened (notably in PAST LAN events) and i think the statistics of all of them happening is too high for it not to be planned

#11
tswinston
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isn't he agreeing with you?

#12
Subreezy
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he's being sarcastic

#13
ASTEROIDCHILD
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you are not a very smart individual i suggest actually calculating the probability instead of going omgggg na always gets fuckedd
its not some groundbreaking, unbelievable outcome

#20
Subreezy
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check edit 2 and 3 for the probability

#22
MourninggStarr
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#23
Subreezy
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i could, but it would be much lower than NA because EMEA didn't face each other nearly as much.
M3 Berlin: no 1st round matchup and Acend was opposite Gambit and G2
M1 Iceland: no 1st round matchup but G2 and TL could have faced round 2

#10
MourninggStarr
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bold of you think people on vlr and reddit know how to calculate probability

#15
ASTEROIDCHILD
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i love making statements where the only evidence is my emotions
would be crazy if i did the basic math required to actually support my argument right
xd

#17
Subreezy
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i didn't think i'd have to do the math, but i guess i will.

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#26
JvRwastaken
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yeah just like berlin last year when gambit lost to 100t, qualified through decider and still got to avoid acend on the other side of the bracket. Meanwhile, literally every NA team had to play against one another for elimination. Yeah fair indeed.

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Subreezy
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those matchups are true and i conceded that, but NA has gotten fucked with brackets WAY more than EMEA. and this isn't me trying to be an NA fanboy, i just want to see other regions face each other. same region matchups are boring and i hate that riot does it to EMEA too

#16
jackb2016
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Was about to post this too LOL

#5
uganda_forever
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https://liquipedia.net/leagueoflegends/World_Championship/2020/Playoffs
[LoL worlds 2020 playoffs] 3China 3Korea

https://liquipedia.net/leagueoflegends/World_Championship/2021/Knockout_Stage
[LoL worlds 2021 playoffs] 2China 3Korea

riot always hate major region

#6
Neonfreak
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You might be right, but would that knowledge even help? Idk with things like this I just choose to accept things at face value because I think I enjoy it more if I'm not thinking about how the bracket is rigged when watching every match.

#14
Subreezy
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i don't watch because i want NA to win, i watch international events because i want to see different region matchups. i couldn't care less if the region i was born in wins champs, i just want to be entertained by matchups i haven't seen before

#19
Neonfreak
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Aren't you getting that with every other matchup though? DRX epic rematch vs FPX or new matchup vs KRU. 1st matchup b/t Leviathan and Zeta or Loud. Optic epic rematch vs PRX or 1st match vs Team Liquid. The only possible boring match is if 100T win and play XSET, or it is a 1st matchup b/t FNATIC and XSET. Those are all either all new matchups or 2 possible very entertaining rematches of top teams. It seems like you are only annoyed because you think Riot keeps putting the NA teams together round 1, but wouldn't it benefit Riot to put different regions together for max viewership?

#21
Subreezy
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nah, they'd rather have different region Grand Finals for a higher viewership which is why there's so many same region round 1 matchups

#27
Neonfreak
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There are literally none unless 100T win.

#29
Subreezy
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That's because there's 2 NA 1 KR and 1 LATAM 1st seed teams. I'll give riot credit for not giving a potential LATAM round 1 match up, but LATAM (Leviatan and Kru), KR (DRX), JP (ZETA), and BR (LOUD) are all on the same side of the bracket. it seems like they want to do anything possible to avoid a same region UBF (with the exception of EMEA vs EMEA due to 3 potential 2nd seed teams)

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Icysoda57
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W subreezy post

#18
NG1nS
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yeah yeah, we get it it's unfortunate but what can we do it's not like anyone's enjoying it

#25
Subreezy
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nah, EMEA people are trying to say "it's happened to us too" and shit like that, i'm trying to say that it's happened at EVERY LAN with 2+ NA teams in playoffs. i just want to watch interesting matches, not a repeat of the regional bullshit

#24
DrudaL
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In the end there's only 1 winner

#28
charizard_123
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Wasnt the masters3 draw made live with representative from every team to verify the validity of the process? Are they all also in it or what?

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