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My problem with the VCT format

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#1
mdz

So, I'll just start this off by saying that overall I like a lot of the choices here. It feels like the teams play A LOT but just enough so you actually wanna watch every match your favorite team plays and it isn't exhausting. I also like how everything is leading up to this big finale at the of the year where all the best teams will clash, and everything the teams play sort of means something for that final big event, and it's kinda epic and stuff. But the thing is, winning some of these events (mainly Challengers) has no meaning or weight whatsoever. By making everything a qualifier you're boud to some lose weight.

I remember my friends were watching the BR Challengers 3 Grand Finals before Iceland and I literally asked "why are you guys watching this? Both teams already qualified for Iceland, it literally means NOTHING.", they told me it was a match for the title. And see, here's the thing: it kinda isn't. Challengers 3 isn't a title, it's just a qualifier. The challengers event isn't presented as an actual thing you want to see your teams win, just as a means to an end. It's not like winning the Bundesliga to qualify for the Champions League because there isn't really a title. Just yesterday ShahZ was joking about how "this all just a qualifier for the qualifier for the qualifer for the final qualifier". The solution is pretty easy. There's a reason why "Vikings are the Masters 1 Champions" means a whole deal, while "Vikings were the Challengers 3 Champions" means nothing, even though they're literally the same tournement, with the exact same teams. It's just in the name and presentation of the tournement.

If there was an inicial Challengers fase, the same as it is now. But instead of Challengers 3, it's presented as the final regional tournement, with a different name instead of just a "3" in the end of it (you've gotta see how hilariously anti-climatic this 3 thing is), to decide who is the Champion of each region, with a title and everything it will make those matches have a lot more weight.

I dunno, maybe this is just me. I'd like see your thoughts on this.

PS: sorry for my clumsy english, i tried.

#2
DasiusWL
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the bundesliga comparision is bad because top 4 gets champions league so what's the point in winning bundesliga? it's for money and better seeding, just like in challangers

#3
mdz
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I kinda feel like that proves my point. You can qualify for Champions even being top 4, but still every team wants to win because they want the title. Maybe Bundesliga isn't as competitive because there's a couple dominant teams, but take the Premiere League then, every team wants to win it. There's just as much competition on the inside of a region, as there is on the outside.

#4
LitMess
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bro if you dont like watching dont. stop telling other people how to spend their time

#5
sp0rtsman
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he doesnt but ok

#8
silh0uette
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he's not forcing u to stop watching. he's just expressing his opinion here

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LitMess
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No he's saying it's pointless to watch. And it's basically the same thing. He's shaming others on how they spend their time. That's karen behaviour lol.

#13
mdz
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never said this, never done this. not sure how you got this interpretation out of my post, maybe it's something lost in translation but it's not what i meant

#12
mdz
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?
i literally say i like watching it on the original post, if i didn't why would i even be here? i'm just giving my honest opinion as fan, suggesting how i think it could be better. it's not like i'm talking shit about the VCT on this post, i'm just pointing out an aspect i feel could be improved, in a constructive way imo

#6
lhp_windson
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The game is new and this format is giving small org chance to shine, lots of chances. That's why who perform consistent will get qualified. ShaZ mayb okay to joke about "this all just a qualifier for the qualifier for the qualifer for the final qualifier", imagine TSM, T1, who never archieve anything this year joke about the format. Hilarious :D. At this point SEN can joke whatever they want about the format, they book their tickets to LA whatsoever.
For me, the VCT format in my region is just fine. Again the game is new and i don't wanna watch Grand final SEN vs FNC everymonth :D

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mdz
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i agree with that actually, i love how every team has the same change to be the winner: no matter how much money they spent, they all start the same and have to fight through the open qual toe to toe. what i meant in the post is that i just wish there was more meaning to the regional Grand Finals itself, i don't know how to do that exactly, but i just feel like a lot of the times, once the teams are already qualified they might aswell "save strats" on the grand finals, i dunno

#7
thanatos11
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Bad take, if your region is sending more than 1 team to masters your fighting for the better seed and to know that you’re going into masters as the top team from your region not just the second best

#9
Jockie
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I agree with that. I feel the same way. And it's even weirder considering the "biggest" matches are usually bo5. For example, Guild v G2 and G2 v ACE the last EU Challenger.

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ChowChow
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1st. Prize money
2nd. Seed placement (depends on region, each has different system)
3rd. Prestige.
4th. Who doesn't like to be the f***ing winner?

#15
mdz
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yeah, that's fair i guess. but in the end i feel like all these still don't have the weight of a title. and i mean, it also feels like a fairly easy fix

#16
ChowChow
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If you talk about the weight of tittle, No there isn't any.
And there's no reason to fix it. Since many e-sports using same format like this one.
For example Dota2, they have Minor league, Major league, and TI (The equivalent of VAL Championship). Even there's some different they have same format overall. From low to high tournament.
And what's make difference of rank 1 and 2. The point they get to qualify to the biggest tournament.

#17
LouBag
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Winning team of the qualifiers should get an immediate birth to the next LAN, and skip the playoffs

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