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why is there a stigma about anti-stratting

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queueK

I feel like I've seen a lot of people say, or imply, that anti-stratting isn't a viable strategy or that it's not skillful. However, it's not easy to effectively anti-strat a team. And, it's simply a way to increase a team's chance of winning a match. I don't really understand why people often disparage it when I think, so long as it doesn't disturb other practice, every team should be doing it.

It's the fault of the opposing team to be so inflexible as to lose to anti-strategy.

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Craig_Garth
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W

#3
Primion
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its like counter what they do, u need good read on enemy to counter it

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Kimchii
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i guess because anti stratting generally comes from analysts and not the players, so you could say players are just executing a plan made by someone else.

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avepalto
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because they anti strat their way to champions/master and then choke (by no further anti-strating), prime examples: The Guard, Northemption

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Primion
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this

#8
Stratos
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This

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Mortadelo
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Exactly, plus you anti starting more than once the same team it’s less effective every time

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Ullyr
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its okay to antistrat but you need to have a balanced between that and having your own complex strat otherwise you'll be inconsistent af.

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AdS
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Fr u need to have ur own playstyle as well

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Mttn
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Because it's also boring af to watch. One team has its own unique playstyle that's fun and allows for switch-ups and the other is just executing the same premade plans to counter it.
(fpx vs prx and optic)

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idkbro
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this mainly comes from csgo, top tier csgo teams are very hard to antistrat, tier1 csgo is about adaptation and being able to change your playstyle and defaults all the time, also antistratting is a meh win at least for me, you can antistrat teams like prx and drx very easily like fpx did in copenhagen but if we really want to see how good teams actually are its best to have no antistrat so basically play tournaments all the time, thats why fnatic is so good in challengers when they have 1 week to prepare every match and then when they go deep into the tournament and it becomes about who is more flexible and adaptative they get antistratted because they have no strategic depth and gg, same for drx, you can tell ange1 was actually a really good csgo igl by the way fpx play: the are the most adaptive team, very defaulty, can change their playstyle and defaults easily, dont play the same comp more than 3 matches, almost impossible to antistrat.
ange1 is clearly the best igl in valorant since he is apparently the only igl that understands this concept, you need to be impossible to antistrat to be the best team in the world, getting to the top is easy but staying there is the hardest thing, thats why what astralis did is so impressive, they always adapted, reinvented themselves and were impossible to antistrat

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idkbro
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also antistratting against an specific team will probably work once if they are good enough but twice it wont
to put in context how much of a difference antistratting and playing very little matches compared to a lot of matches like csgo would make:

  • drx wouldnt win a game since even a kid can antistrat them
  • fpx would become even stronger
  • m3c would become a consistent top5 team itw
  • prx would be fucked, playing like they do is impossible in the long run if they play a tournament every 2 weeks
  • fnatic, boaster would lose his job
    This mainly affects teams with chessy/gimmicky styles like fnatic, drx and prx
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Na1myy
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Everything in the rulebook is fair game, the people that complain are just mad that their favorite team got antistrated. A team like Astralis got antistrated by the entire scene for the entirety of their era in CS:GO, they still won since they were just the best, that was amazing to see and i hope that one day there will be a Val team close to that.

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idkbro
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they won because they were adaptive, antistratting is useless if the other team can adapt and be flexible, obviously everything in the rulebook is fair game but if you play 1 international tournament every 3 months then its gonna be so easy for gimmicky playstyle like fnatic, drx and prx to work, if those played a tournament every 2 weeks they would shit themselves

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TkM
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literally never seen anyone say antistratting is not skillful

#17
Olofboost
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Valorant low tournament frequency rewards honeymoon teams like Fnatic who can't adapt mid tournament, but can spend whole weeks studying every vod of an opponent before the match

If Valorant had a tier1 LAN every 1.5-2 months, like CSGO, we would only hear about FPX and M3C owning everyone, because their playstyles are least reliant on antistratting, and they have great aim / adaptability, maybe Paper Rex too

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