v1 without postplant?

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ihitthat

same or tier 2?

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mattgg2015

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They are playing with a sub

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turkey

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v1 is definitely tier 1 they just not top 2 conversation anymore

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PrTsty

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Why? They are still head to head with 100t envy and c9 probably, we will have to see

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blicey

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their sub top fragged in a lot of their maps Lmao, better than zaddy vanity

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Demi

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Top fragging isnt everything. Team chemistry should also be a factor. Zellsis fits on the team better than thief :)

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plas

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put some respect on thief tho he was constantly doing good

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Demi

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i agree thief is a wonderful player, just saying that zellsis might fit better into the team since they have been playing for a long time. V1 kinda unlucky. They are playing with a sub almost everytime lol

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Zellsis has that bursts of brilliance and aggression on Feenix that thief doesn't rlly have. He plays rlly passive

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Shanty

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He is good. But you are replacing Zellsis, one of their best players and a vocal dude in the team. Honestly it’s hard to know where V1 is at. It’s feels like forever since we have seen the full squad together. It’s not like thief is bad, but give me Zellsis on the team anyway of the week.

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Thief is still an upgrade though

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Shanty

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Even if we pretend this is true. Little time with the team.

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Psion

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He has a better player rating than zellsis in the past 3 months. And is insane on Reyna

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Shanty

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Look at the agents selected. He should be getting a better ACS with Reyna, if he isn't fragging out more than a KJ, Astra and support characters there is an issue. The last 3 months Zellsis had to fill in partially for Whippie with support characters when in Masters. I am not debating thief isn't a good player. But he's adjusting to a new team that is partially built around Zellsis. I don't really understand how people can believe a thief having to adjust and find a place on a new system on a new team is better than Zellsis who literally helped build the system and knows the team in and out.

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ilikerubikscubes

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wippie my dude

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Shanty

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thank you

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Psion

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Thief played cypher against lg and top fragged??? Thief is 1-1 a better player. V1 just aren’t as good after meta changes. Vanity judge, lineups, viper- astra all got nerfed. And they had a sub at Iceland so they have proven they can beat teams like liquid with a sub, so why can’t they beat 100t? I would rather have - zellsis + thief than -Wippie +jammyz.

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Daniveus

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yup Zellsis' insane lurks are the reason they did good on haven

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Demi

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Playing with a sub, Chill

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??????????

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NotASinner69

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I always thought V1 without post plants isn't that good.
Also unlucky that they could never play with their full roster

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couldnt play with full roaster, thief is a great player, but zellsis is a massive part of V1. post plant is still around. i feel like theyll rebound

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DasiusWL

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definetly tier 1 NA maybe like tier 3 EU

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crazy_igel_fan

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they beat Liquid (but lost to FNC) so they're middle of tier 1 EU

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ranker11

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they need their racist dude back asap

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anothervlruser

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dumb take 100T got lucky and playing with a sub

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FireII

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saying 100t got lucky is a stretch.

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PrTsty

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Cringe

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Fire737

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13-5 is luck kekw

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Cheasle2

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Making masters was a fluke but they're not bad by any means. Also note they're playing with a sub

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V1 is really good at abusing the current meta. Currently the post plant meta is broken so that's why they're using it. I think if post plant didn't exist they would abuse something else. Of course this is just speculation though.