VALORANT Esports Indonesia podcasts with forsaken, 34:30 to 36:30 he was asked if there was any teams outside of APAC you'd like to join, he said:
"I always wanted to join FNATIC for a long time..... other teams i'd express to join would be M3C"
source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mA1MtDDLkg
if you don't understand Indo, feel free to use Youtube app and use auto translate to english in Captions (CC).
Imagine Derke, Alfajer and Forsaken all on same team.
mistic doesn't play initiator also wouldn't be right to remove a great initiator like enzo everyone have been calling him the silent hero, he's pretty impactful ngl
so maybe put boaster on controller and alfa on sentinel while forsaken plays main duellist
but either way they're good the way they are rn
tbh...f0rsakeN's playstyle wouldn't really mesh well on either team imo. Fnatic are super strat/exec heavy, and M3C play a slow, default-y game.
I think the best region for him playstyle-wise outside of APAC is either JP or NA. If you watch his stream and how he plays he's a lot more mechanics focused than playing smart. He often asks Jinggg to support him during games. I worry for his performance once Jinggg goes to do his service...
I'm not saying he can't if he puts his mind to it, but if you've watched him play and his streams he's actually quite undisciplined. He was like that during Berlin and he was like that at Reykjavik. Playing on a strat heavy team requires a lot of discipline and thinking. He has never had any reason to play like that because PRX doesn't play like that and almost always has.
I don't think you understand what you're talking about, nor did you understand what I just wrote. His streams comprised less than half of a sentence in my overall point. Everything else is in his pro games, so unless you are being deliberately obtuse there is no reason you should be thinking I'm judging him off his ranked performance. And Fnatic has literally ZERO reason to adapt to f0rsakeN's gameplay. It is ridiculous to assume a team with Derke should change their entire playstyle for f0rsakeN. You are biased. And have no idea what you're talking about - "high mechanical player won't be a burden" - tell that to Liquid or Sentinels. High mechanical players but no teamwork or strats. You cannot be a good team just based on mechanics anymore.
i know some of my point is not true, but " f0rsaken can't follow super strat/exec heavy, team" is false. I think he can adapt well to super strat/exec heavy team if the igl call to discipline. But, as alovant said, this is might be true "it might in some way limits him."
lack of discipline is what made PRX lose to ZETA and DRX.
that's not the biggest factor imo. their teammates is just shit (vs zeta, drx, and smb). ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE, DRX is partner PRX scrim. from the beginning, drx is always above prx. they lost to these team not because f0rsaken lack of discipline or not playing smart. why are you saying f0rsaken is bad, instead DRX & ZETA are really good & counter strat the team. why do you expect him to carry his team 100% of their match? if he already carry like 95% of their match.
yes, jinggg is key secret to paper rex success because f0rsaken doesn't need to carry 4 his teammates. now, it's 2. just like fnatic before (only derke), but now (derke & alfajer).
Also, i agree yay, derke, certain player >> better than f0rsaken. i'm not biased.
I never said he couldn't adapt lol
I'm not saying he can't if he puts his mind to it
I literally said this.
their teammates is just shit (vs zeta, drx, and smb).
False lmao, maybe vs SMB because Shiba<Jinggg, but just blatantly false. How is it that his teammates are shit vs ZETA and DRX when it's the same team that 2-0 G2 and Guard?
ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE, DRX is partner PRX scrim. from the beginning, drx is always above prx.
And ZETA? lol
why are you saying f0rsaken is bad
Never said he was bad. In fact, I always rated him and knew his value before any of these bandwagoning PRX fans.
why do you expect him to carry his team 100% of their match?
Putting words in my mouth LMAO, I never said anything CLOSE to this. You're just making shit up at this point. For shame.
f0rsakeN is NOT carrying his team. You are delusional to think he carries his team. Everyone on PRX, from Jinggg to Benkai can hold their own and in fact, at Iceland, Mindfreak and Benkai were the ones clutching up for the team.
bro, f0rsaken carying his teammates. u don't watch apac, don't you?
he's alyways become their best player until jinggg in their team. u are just blatantly wrong when u said f0rsakeN is NOT carrying his team
i also said zeta counter-strat them. why u never appreciate them? also, Zeta has 1 week preparation before the match
mindfreak literally playing so bad when they lost to zeta. he lost so many 1 v 1 duel that he easily win against G2 and the guard
you don't know anything, don't you
bro, f0rsaken carying his teammates. u don't watch apac, don't you?
he's alyways become their best player until jinggg in their team.
This is like saying Yay is carrying his team LMAO
i also said zeta counter-strat them. why u never appreciate them? also, Zeta has 1 week preparation before the match
mindfreak literally playing so bad when they lost to zeta. he lost so many 1 v 1 duel that he easily win against G2 and the guard
dude, you are actually so fucking dumb it is INSANE. I say one thing, you instantly assume I'm shitting on the other. I say PRX lost to ZETA because of lack of discipline, you say I NEVER appreciate ZETA? Are you high or something?
Jinggg played atrociously vs DRX maps 2 and 3, but you're conveniently ignoring that and continuing the narrative that the rest of PRX aside from Jinggg and f0rsakeN are shit, which is just false.
I say one thing, you instantly assume I'm shitting on the other. I say PRX lost to ZETA because of lack of discipline, you say I NEVER appreciate ZETA? Are you high or something?
are u fuckin idiot or what? i said ZETA COUNTER STRAT THEM (ZETA COUNTER STRAT THEM BY PLAYING PRX ANTI-STRAT), and MINDFREAK LOST SO MANY DUELS. im sure if they play again, they would win, and MY OPINION based on overall their performance, including apac & master. NOT JUST ONE MAP OR ONE MATCH. im from apac bro. i watched all of their matches
i agree with his lack of discipline, but he playing smart (playing with really high tempo and still very effective require a lot of thinking (ex : his yoru).
second, PRX is also has a lot of set plays if u watched them carefully, but in a really high tempo thats why it look like W gaming only.
third, ranked != pro play, you cant judge people undisciplined bcs of ranked gameplay. everyone peek anything in ranked.
I understand he's smart - I never said he wasn't. His Yoru setups are smart. He knows how to use his utility - he's a smart player, you can't get to the top of ANY region without being smart. And I am aware of PRX's playstyle. But it is very obvious that he is someone who would not fit in with how Fnatic plays the game. And unless you haven't watched Berlin or Reykjavik, you will agree with me.
Yes. Lack of discipline is extremely big. As you may have noticed, lack of discipline is what made PRX lose to ZETA and DRX. It is also the same reason they lost to VS and SMB in Berlin. I understand the concept and importance of discipline is lost on you, given that you are an obvious PRX fan.
The way Fnatic approaches the game is much like DRX. f0rsakeN and PRX, unless they play completely differently at Copenhagen and onwards, are nowhere close to that approach.
im not PRX fan, bcs my team not going to cph thats why i cheer for prx in cph.
also i watch benkai interview (i dont remember what interview) but he said he let f0rsaken and jinggg to do whatever they want thats why i think they both play like a maniac and also benkai said both of them can play discipline if benkai said that.
Fair enough.
I remember that Benkai interview, but he never said they can play disciplined if Benkai asked them to. And in fact, to double-check, I literally went ahead and listened to that part of the interview again.
PRX prioritises comfortability and free-flowing play over strat-heavy disciplined approaches to the game. This is evident when they put Jinggg on Reyna at Iceland and their agent picks in APAC.
f0rsakeN's lack of discipline has been prevalent since last year. There have been no real changes to it yet.
Honestly even as an avid PRX fan i have to agree, Forsaken doesnt fit well with strat-heavy teams like Fnatic not just because of his lack of discipline ( doesnt mean he cant be disciplined ), but because it might in some way limits him. Strat-heavy teams relies on strat, so while having great aim still matters, its not the be all end all. A player such as Forsaken who shine in chaos would have his star power limited, though for all we know if he can adapt to it and mesh well with it then all i just said would be for naught.
Still would love to see him join teams that are more aggressive / flow based, his entry and absolutely jaw dropping aim sometimes would add to not just the firepower of the team, but also up his value as a player on the rise
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