VALORANT Esports Indonesia podcasts with forsaken, 34:30 to 36:30 he was asked if there was any teams outside of APAC you'd like to join, he said:
"I always wanted to join FNATIC for a long time..... other teams i'd express to join would be M3C"
source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mA1MtDDLkg
if you don't understand Indo, feel free to use Youtube app and use auto translate to english in Captions (CC).
Imagine Derke, Alfajer and Forsaken all on same team.
tbh...f0rsakeN's playstyle wouldn't really mesh well on either team imo. Fnatic are super strat/exec heavy, and M3C play a slow, default-y game.
I think the best region for him playstyle-wise outside of APAC is either JP or NA. If you watch his stream and how he plays he's a lot more mechanics focused than playing smart. He often asks Jinggg to support him during games. I worry for his performance once Jinggg goes to do his service...
archetype [#9]tbh...f0rsakeN's playstyle wouldn't really mesh well on either team imo. Fnatic are super strat/exec heavy, and M3C play a slow, default-y game.
I think the best region for him playstyle-wise outside of APAC is either JP or NA. If you watch his stream and how he plays he's a lot more mechanics focused than playing smart. He often asks Jinggg to support him during games. I worry for his performance once Jinggg goes to do his service...
U don't really know
Do you think forsaken can't follow Strat heavy team like fnatic? Lol
ItsMeDio [#10]U don't really know
Do you think forsaken can't follow Strat heavy team like fnatic? Lol
I'm not saying he can't if he puts his mind to it, but if you've watched him play and his streams he's actually quite undisciplined. He was like that during Berlin and he was like that at Reykjavik. Playing on a strat heavy team requires a lot of discipline and thinking. He has never had any reason to play like that because PRX doesn't play like that and almost always has.
ItsMeDio [#10]U don't really know
Do you think forsaken can't follow Strat heavy team like fnatic? Lol
he could join a strat heavy team but he wouldn’t be a good fit for fnatic
archetype [#11]I'm not saying he can't if he puts his mind to it, but if you've watched him play and his streams he's actually quite undisciplined. He was like that during Berlin and he was like that at Reykjavik. Playing on a strat heavy team requires a lot of discipline and thinking. He has never had any reason to play like that because PRX doesn't play like that and almost always has.
Bro
It's just ranked
High Mechanical player won't be a burden, even if he join fnatic or DRX
Also, don't you think fnatic can adapt to forsaken style gameplay?
Stop limiting pros performance just according to ur observations on ranked
If u aren't the coach or his teammates then u can't saying that
ItsMeDio [#15]Bro
It's just rankedHigh Mechanical player won't be a burden, even if he join fnatic or DRX
Also, don't you think fnatic can adapt to forsaken style gameplay?Stop limiting pros performance just according to ur observations on ranked
If u aren't the coach or his teammates then u can't saying that
I don't think you understand what you're talking about, nor did you understand what I just wrote. His streams comprised less than half of a sentence in my overall point. Everything else is in his pro games, so unless you are being deliberately obtuse there is no reason you should be thinking I'm judging him off his ranked performance. And Fnatic has literally ZERO reason to adapt to f0rsakeN's gameplay. It is ridiculous to assume a team with Derke should change their entire playstyle for f0rsakeN. You are biased. And have no idea what you're talking about - "high mechanical player won't be a burden" - tell that to Liquid or Sentinels. High mechanical players but no teamwork or strats. You cannot be a good team just based on mechanics anymore.
archetype [#11]I'm not saying he can't if he puts his mind to it, but if you've watched him play and his streams he's actually quite undisciplined. He was like that during Berlin and he was like that at Reykjavik. Playing on a strat heavy team requires a lot of discipline and thinking. He has never had any reason to play like that because PRX doesn't play like that and almost always has.
i agree with his lack of discipline, but he playing smart (playing with really high tempo and still very effective require a lot of thinking (ex : his yoru).
second, PRX is also has a lot of set plays if u watched them carefully, but in a really high tempo thats why it look like W gaming only.
third, ranked != pro play, you cant judge people undisciplined bcs of ranked gameplay. everyone peek anything in ranked.
Fr1tZ [#17]i agree with his lack of discipline, but he playing smart (playing with really high tempo and still very effective require a lot of thinking (ex : his yoru).
second, PRX is also has a lot of set plays if u watched them carefully, but in a really high tempo thats why it look like W gaming only.
third, ranked != pro play, you cant judge people undisciplined bcs of ranked gameplay. everyone peek anything in ranked.
I understand he's smart - I never said he wasn't. His Yoru setups are smart. He knows how to use his utility - he's a smart player, you can't get to the top of ANY region without being smart. And I am aware of PRX's playstyle. But it is very obvious that he is someone who would not fit in with how Fnatic plays the game. And unless you haven't watched Berlin or Reykjavik, you will agree with me.
archetype [#19]I understand he's smart - I never said he wasn't. His Yoru setups are smart. He knows how to use his utility - he's a smart player, you can't get to the top of ANY region without being smart. And I am aware of PRX's playstyle. But it is very obvious that he is someone who would not fit in with how Fnatic plays the game. And unless you haven't watched Berlin or Reykjavik, you will agree with me.
bcs of what? lack of discipline only? your points before only about discipline and thinking. and i think he is smart enough to play with that kind of team
Fr1tZ [#20]bcs of what? lack of discipline only? your points before only about discipline and thinking. and i think he is smart enough to play with that kind of team
Yes. Lack of discipline is extremely big. As you may have noticed, lack of discipline is what made PRX lose to ZETA and DRX. It is also the same reason they lost to VS and SMB in Berlin. I understand the concept and importance of discipline is lost on you, given that you are an obvious PRX fan.
The way Fnatic approaches the game is much like DRX. f0rsakeN and PRX, unless they play completely differently at Copenhagen and onwards, are nowhere close to that approach.
archetype [#21]Yes. Lack of discipline is extremely big. As you may have noticed, lack of discipline is what made PRX lose to ZETA and DRX. It is also the same reason they lost to VS and SMB in Berlin. I understand the concept and importance of discipline is lost on you, given that you are an obvious PRX fan.
The way Fnatic approaches the game is much like DRX. f0rsakeN and PRX, unless they play completely differently at Copenhagen and onwards, are nowhere close to that approach.
im not PRX fan, bcs my team not going to cph thats why i cheer for prx in cph.
also i watch benkai interview (i dont remember what interview) but he said he let f0rsaken and jinggg to do whatever they want thats why i think they both play like a maniac and also benkai said both of them can play discipline if benkai said that.
Fr1tZ [#23]im not PRX fan, bcs my team not going to cph thats why i cheer for prx in cph.
also i watch benkai interview (i dont remember what interview) but he said he let f0rsaken and jinggg to do whatever they want thats why i think they both play like a maniac and also benkai said both of them can play discipline if benkai said that.
Fair enough.
I remember that Benkai interview, but he never said they can play disciplined if Benkai asked them to. And in fact, to double-check, I literally went ahead and listened to that part of the interview again.
PRX prioritises comfortability and free-flowing play over strat-heavy disciplined approaches to the game. This is evident when they put Jinggg on Reyna at Iceland and their agent picks in APAC.
f0rsakeN's lack of discipline has been prevalent since last year. There have been no real changes to it yet.
archetype [#25]Fair enough.
I remember that Benkai interview, but he never said they can play disciplined if Benkai asked them to. And in fact, to double-check, I literally went ahead and listened to that part of the interview again.
PRX prioritises comfortability and free-flowing play over strat-heavy disciplined approaches to the game. This is evident when they put Jinggg on Reyna at Iceland and their agent picks in APAC.
f0rsakeN's lack of discipline has been prevalent since last year. There have been no real changes to it yet.
Honestly even as an avid PRX fan i have to agree, Forsaken doesnt fit well with strat-heavy teams like Fnatic not just because of his lack of discipline ( doesnt mean he cant be disciplined ), but because it might in some way limits him. Strat-heavy teams relies on strat, so while having great aim still matters, its not the be all end all. A player such as Forsaken who shine in chaos would have his star power limited, though for all we know if he can adapt to it and mesh well with it then all i just said would be for naught.
Still would love to see him join teams that are more aggressive / flow based, his entry and absolutely jaw dropping aim sometimes would add to not just the firepower of the team, but also up his value as a player on the rise
Alovant [#26]Honestly even as an avid PRX fan i have to agree, Forsaken doesnt fit well with strat-heavy teams like Fnatic not just because of his lack of discipline ( doesnt mean he cant be disciplined ), but because it might in some way limits him. Strat-heavy teams relies on strat, so while having great aim still matters, its not the be all end all. A player such as Forsaken who shine in chaos would have his star power limited, though for all we know if he can adapt to it and mesh well with it then all i just said would be for naught.
Still would love to see him join teams that are more aggressive / flow based, his entry and absolutely jaw dropping aim sometimes would add to not just the firepower of the team, but also up his value as a player on the rise
Interesting take, I don't disagree, but as someone who has actually been watching and supporting and rating f0rsakeN since last year, he's gotten to be a tad overrated after Iceland. Especially after that Yoru game. I've said this before, but I actually think Jinggg is the secret to PRX's success.
"but because it might in some way limits him" - this is possible, he's definitely someone who thrives in the calamity of the midround. I would hesitate to say that his free-flowing playstyle will last longer than the more structured approach most teams are taking though. I think personally f0rsakeN's gonna need to learn to play more disciplined and mindful if he wishes to truly grow into the player people are seeing in him.
NG1nS [#28]wouldn't work really
true it wouldnt
but if it did i figure it would be
Boaster IGL/Smokes
Derke Flex
Alfajer Sentinel
f0rsakeN Duelist
Mistic Ini
APAC_jimmy [#31]Please god no
Lmfao know your place , your best player wants to join the team you call trash. Go cry
MetaIrony [#18]100t has the money and fanbase, why tf would he not
Why would he join a mid region that will never win Champions?
archetype [#16]I don't think you understand what you're talking about, nor did you understand what I just wrote. His streams comprised less than half of a sentence in my overall point. Everything else is in his pro games, so unless you are being deliberately obtuse there is no reason you should be thinking I'm judging him off his ranked performance. And Fnatic has literally ZERO reason to adapt to f0rsakeN's gameplay. It is ridiculous to assume a team with Derke should change their entire playstyle for f0rsakeN. You are biased. And have no idea what you're talking about - "high mechanical player won't be a burden" - tell that to Liquid or Sentinels. High mechanical players but no teamwork or strats. You cannot be a good team just based on mechanics anymore.
Dude are you dumb or what? Forsaken plays a style that works for his team. It’s what his team needa of him. Thinking otherwise means you have no ideea what you’re talking about.
Dybala21 [#24]I said if he wants
He said he’d be open to going to NA. I think it’d make sense for him to go to 100T tbh cause they need a better duelist imo and they’re gonna be franchised
TuNyyy [#5]100T forsaken would be poggers
Yeah biggest issue would of course be language barrier, but i don’t know a whole lot about him he might have decent english
IlikeUrCutG [#32]he fits better in m3c than fnatic imo
Agreed, fnatic don’t need another star duelist. I think if he comes to NA and replaced Will in 100T that would also be a massive upgrade. He mentioned he’s considering coming to NA
number1_anuj_fan [#34]Lmfao know your place , your best player wants to join the team you call trash. Go cry
Why are you on my dick in every thread? 😹 still mad?
archetype [#16]I don't think you understand what you're talking about, nor did you understand what I just wrote. His streams comprised less than half of a sentence in my overall point. Everything else is in his pro games, so unless you are being deliberately obtuse there is no reason you should be thinking I'm judging him off his ranked performance. And Fnatic has literally ZERO reason to adapt to f0rsakeN's gameplay. It is ridiculous to assume a team with Derke should change their entire playstyle for f0rsakeN. You are biased. And have no idea what you're talking about - "high mechanical player won't be a burden" - tell that to Liquid or Sentinels. High mechanical players but no teamwork or strats. You cannot be a good team just based on mechanics anymore.
i know some of my point is not true, but " f0rsaken can't follow super strat/exec heavy, team" is false. I think he can adapt well to super strat/exec heavy team if the igl call to discipline. But, as alovant said, this is might be true "it might in some way limits him."
lack of discipline is what made PRX lose to ZETA and DRX.
that's not the biggest factor imo. their teammates is just shit (vs zeta, drx, and smb). ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE, DRX is partner PRX scrim. from the beginning, drx is always above prx. they lost to these team not because f0rsaken lack of discipline or not playing smart. why are you saying f0rsaken is bad, instead DRX & ZETA are really good & counter strat the team. why do you expect him to carry his team 100% of their match? if he already carry like 95% of their match.
yes, jinggg is key secret to paper rex success because f0rsaken doesn't need to carry 4 his teammates. now, it's 2. just like fnatic before (only derke), but now (derke & alfajer).
Also, i agree yay, derke, certain player >> better than f0rsaken. i'm not biased.
APAC_jimmy [#42]Why are you on my dick in every thread? 😹 still mad?
If trolling means being on ones dick, then you are EMEA's biggest dickrider ever 🤣
number1_anuj_fan [#34]Lmfao know your place , your best player wants to join the team you call trash. Go cry
cry
number1_anuj_fan [#45]If trolling means being on ones dick, then you are EMEA's biggest dickrider ever 🤣
Says the Indian with a Fnatic flair 😹😹 truly embarrassing
zardinez [#39]He said he’d be open to going to NA. I think it’d make sense for him to go to 100T tbh cause they need a better duelist imo and they’re gonna be franchised
True but I don’t know. 100T Forsaken doesn’t suit imo hahha
Victorie [#37]Dude are you dumb or what? Forsaken plays a style that works for his team. It’s what his team needa of him. Thinking otherwise means you have no ideea what you’re talking about.
Did I ever say otherwise lmao typical vlr user who can't read
ItsMeDio [#44]i know some of my point is not true, but " f0rsaken can't follow super strat/exec heavy, team" is false. I think he can adapt well to super strat/exec heavy team if the igl call to discipline. But, as alovant said, this is might be true "it might in some way limits him."
lack of discipline is what made PRX lose to ZETA and DRX.
that's not the biggest factor imo. their teammates is just shit (vs zeta, drx, and smb). ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE, DRX is partner PRX scrim. from the beginning, drx is always above prx. they lost to these team not because f0rsaken lack of discipline or not playing smart. why are you saying f0rsaken is bad, instead DRX & ZETA are really good & counter strat the team. why do you expect him to carry his team 100% of their match? if he already carry like 95% of their match.
yes, jinggg is key secret to paper rex success because f0rsaken doesn't need to carry 4 his teammates. now, it's 2. just like fnatic before (only derke), but now (derke & alfajer).
Also, i agree yay, derke, certain player >> better than f0rsaken. i'm not biased.
I never said he couldn't adapt lol
I'm not saying he can't if he puts his mind to it
I literally said this.
their teammates is just shit (vs zeta, drx, and smb).
False lmao, maybe vs SMB because Shiba<Jinggg, but just blatantly false. How is it that his teammates are shit vs ZETA and DRX when it's the same team that 2-0 G2 and Guard?
ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE, DRX is partner PRX scrim. from the beginning, drx is always above prx.
And ZETA? lol
why are you saying f0rsaken is bad
Never said he was bad. In fact, I always rated him and knew his value before any of these bandwagoning PRX fans.
why do you expect him to carry his team 100% of their match?
Putting words in my mouth LMAO, I never said anything CLOSE to this. You're just making shit up at this point. For shame.
f0rsakeN is NOT carrying his team. You are delusional to think he carries his team. Everyone on PRX, from Jinggg to Benkai can hold their own and in fact, at Iceland, Mindfreak and Benkai were the ones clutching up for the team.
archetype [#52]I never said he couldn't adapt lol
I'm not saying he can't if he puts his mind to it
I literally said this.
their teammates is just shit (vs zeta, drx, and smb).
False lmao, maybe vs SMB because Shiba<Jinggg, but just blatantly false. How is it that his teammates are shit vs ZETA and DRX when it's the same team that 2-0 G2 and Guard?
ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE, DRX is partner PRX scrim. from the beginning, drx is always above prx.
And ZETA? lol
why are you saying f0rsaken is bad
Never said he was bad. In fact, I always rated him and knew his value before any of these bandwagoning PRX fans.
why do you expect him to carry his team 100% of their match?
Putting words in my mouth LMAO, I never said anything CLOSE to this. You're just making shit up at this point. For shame.
f0rsakeN is NOT carrying his team. You are delusional to think he carries his team. Everyone on PRX, from Jinggg to Benkai can hold their own and in fact, at Iceland, Mindfreak and Benkai were the ones clutching up for the team.
bro, f0rsaken carying his teammates. u don't watch apac, don't you?
he's alyways become their best player until jinggg in their team. u are just blatantly wrong when u said f0rsakeN is NOT carrying his team
i also said zeta counter-strat them. why u never appreciate them? also, Zeta has 1 week preparation before the match
mindfreak literally playing so bad when they lost to zeta. he lost so many 1 v 1 duel that he easily win against G2 and the guard
you don't know anything, don't you
ItsMeDio [#53]bro, f0rsaken carying his teammates. u don't watch apac, don't you?
he's alyways become their best player until jinggg in their team. u are just blatantly wrong when u said f0rsakeN is NOT carrying his teami also said zeta counter-strat them. why u never appreciate them? also, Zeta has 1 week preparation before the match
mindfreak literally playing so bad when they lost to zeta. he lost so many 1 v 1 duel that he easily win against G2 and the guardyou don't know anything, don't you
Jingg played bad when they lost to DRX
your point being? Mindfreak and Benkai CLUTCHED up. Especially vs DRX on Haven.
ItsMeDio [#53]bro, f0rsaken carying his teammates. u don't watch apac, don't you?
he's alyways become their best player until jinggg in their team. u are just blatantly wrong when u said f0rsakeN is NOT carrying his teami also said zeta counter-strat them. why u never appreciate them? also, Zeta has 1 week preparation before the match
mindfreak literally playing so bad when they lost to zeta. he lost so many 1 v 1 duel that he easily win against G2 and the guardyou don't know anything, don't you
bro, f0rsaken carying his teammates. u don't watch apac, don't you?
he's alyways become their best player until jinggg in their team.
This is like saying Yay is carrying his team LMAO
i also said zeta counter-strat them. why u never appreciate them? also, Zeta has 1 week preparation before the match
mindfreak literally playing so bad when they lost to zeta. he lost so many 1 v 1 duel that he easily win against G2 and the guard
dude, you are actually so fucking dumb it is INSANE. I say one thing, you instantly assume I'm shitting on the other. I say PRX lost to ZETA because of lack of discipline, you say I NEVER appreciate ZETA? Are you high or something?
Jinggg played atrociously vs DRX maps 2 and 3, but you're conveniently ignoring that and continuing the narrative that the rest of PRX aside from Jinggg and f0rsakeN are shit, which is just false.
archetype [#54]Jingg played bad when they lost to DRX
your point being? Mindfreak and Benkai CLUTCHED up. Especially vs DRX on Haven.
just haven right.
read againt my opinion. mindfreak, benkai, davai is just solid great player. u are just disrespect f0rsaken if you really think they on par with him. sscary, mako is some player that "on same level" with f0rsaken with their respective role.
u don't watch enough of them
ItsMeDio [#58]just haven right.
read againt my opinion. mindfreak, benkai, davai is just solid great player. u are just disrespect f0rsaken if you really think they on par with him. sscary, mako is some player that "on same level" with f0rsaken with their respective role.u don't watch enough of them
if you really think they on par with him
I NEVER SAID THIS. I NEVER SAID ANYTHING LIKE THAT LOL? I JUST SAID HE IS NOT CARRYING THEM. I SAID THEY CAN HOLD THEIR OWN
And it's true.
zardinez [#41]Agreed, fnatic don’t need another star duelist. I think if he comes to NA and replaced Will in 100T that would also be a massive upgrade. He mentioned he’s considering coming to NA
well i can still see it works with fnatic tbh, i guess -mistic +forsaken. forsaken and alfajer both flex/duelist role
archetype [#57]bro, f0rsaken carying his teammates. u don't watch apac, don't you?
he's alyways become their best player until jinggg in their team.This is like saying Yay is carrying his team LMAO
i also said zeta counter-strat them. why u never appreciate them? also, Zeta has 1 week preparation before the match
mindfreak literally playing so bad when they lost to zeta. he lost so many 1 v 1 duel that he easily win against G2 and the guarddude, you are actually so fucking dumb it is INSANE. I say one thing, you instantly assume I'm shitting on the other. I say PRX lost to ZETA because of lack of discipline, you say I NEVER appreciate ZETA? Are you high or something?
Jinggg played atrociously vs DRX maps 2 and 3, but you're conveniently ignoring that and continuing the narrative that the rest of PRX aside from Jinggg and f0rsakeN are shit, which is just false.
I say one thing, you instantly assume I'm shitting on the other. I say PRX lost to ZETA because of lack of discipline, you say I NEVER appreciate ZETA? Are you high or something?
are u fuckin idiot or what? i said ZETA COUNTER STRAT THEM (ZETA COUNTER STRAT THEM BY PLAYING PRX ANTI-STRAT), and MINDFREAK LOST SO MANY DUELS. im sure if they play again, they would win, and MY OPINION based on overall their performance, including apac & master. NOT JUST ONE MAP OR ONE MATCH. im from apac bro. i watched all of their matches
archetype [#59]if you really think they on par with him
I NEVER SAID THIS. I NEVER SAID ANYTHING LIKE THAT LOL? I JUST SAID HE IS NOT CARRYING THEM. I SAID THEY CAN HOLD THEIR OWN
And it's true.
yes. ITS RIGHT NOW. solid great player. they are all improve so much, especially mindfreak. But before, they are not.
ItsMeDio [#61]I say one thing, you instantly assume I'm shitting on the other. I say PRX lost to ZETA because of lack of discipline, you say I NEVER appreciate ZETA? Are you high or something?
are u fuckin idiot or what? i said ZETA COUNTER STRAT THEM (ZETA COUNTER STRAT THEM BY PLAYING PRX ANTI-STRAT), and MINDFREAK LOST SO MANY DUELS. im sure if they play again, they would win, and MY OPINION based on overall their performance, including apac & master. NOT JUST ONE MAP OR ONE MATCH. im from apac bro. i watched all of their matches
Sure, there were some elements of anti-strat, but I wonder if you know anything about what goes into anti-stratting. It's not as simple as "PRX exec on A site like this" - it goes down to even stuff like analysing playstyle and playing differently.
ZETA COUNTER STRAT THEM BY PLAYING PRX ANTI-STRAT
The most uninformed thing I have ever seen. I guarantee you have never touched anything close to professional Valorant or have coached a team or even gotten a high rank.
NOT JUST ONE MAP OR ONE MATCH. im from apac bro. i watched all of their matches
You act like I've never watched PRX either lmao. I guarantee if ZETA plays PRX again, they would win even harder.
archetype [#64]Sure, there were some elements of anti-strat, but I wonder if you know anything about what goes into anti-stratting. It's not as simple as "PRX exec on A site like this" - it goes down to even stuff like analysing playstyle and playing differently.
ZETA COUNTER STRAT THEM BY PLAYING PRX ANTI-STRAT
The most uninformed thing I have ever seen. I guarantee you have never touched anything close to professional Valorant or have coached a team or even gotten a high rank.
NOT JUST ONE MAP OR ONE MATCH. im from apac bro. i watched all of their matches
You act like I've never watched PRX either lmao. I guarantee if ZETA plays PRX again, they would win even harder.
no
they even can't win against northception bro
wdym?
ItsMeDio [#62]yes. ITS RIGHT NOW. solid great player. they are all improve so much, especially mindfreak. But before, they are not.
yes. ITS RIGHT NOW. solid great player. they are all improve so much, especially mindfreak. But before, they are not.
WTF do you think I'm talking about? I'm talking about right now, buddy. I never said anything about them in the past. I said they CAN HOLD THEIR OWN. Why would I be talking about PRX in the past lol
archetype [#9]tbh...f0rsakeN's playstyle wouldn't really mesh well on either team imo. Fnatic are super strat/exec heavy, and M3C play a slow, default-y game.
I think the best region for him playstyle-wise outside of APAC is either JP or NA. If you watch his stream and how he plays he's a lot more mechanics focused than playing smart. He often asks Jinggg to support him during games. I worry for his performance once Jinggg goes to do his service...
I was thinking this long time before, if no jingg PRX will hard to reach top at master, that's what happened to berlin last year
ItsMeDio [#65]no
they even can't win against northception bro
wdym?
Are you implying Northeption is bad or something lol?
Do you think ZETA is a bad team to have lost to Northeption or something lol?
Primion [#67]I was thinking this long time before, if no jingg PRX will hard to reach top at master, that's what happened to berlin last year
Yeah, Jinggg was a huge pickup.
ItsMeDio [#65]no
they even can't win against northception bro
wdym?
bro as an indonesian urself, don't you want forsaken to continue playing in SEA? Loss of great talents in the SEA scene is really bad. Why keep fighting about whether forsaken deserves to join fnatic? It is just not worth it, just ignore the north korean guy.
archetype [#68]Are you implying Northeption is bad or something lol?
Do you think ZETA is a bad team to have lost to Northeption or something lol?
yes
they are not getting better than master 1
master 1 zeta >> zeta right now
MomGoSky [#70]bro as an indonesian urself, don't you want forsaken to continue playing in SEA? Loss of great talents in the SEA scene is really bad. Why keep fighting about whether forsaken deserves to join fnatic? It is just not worth it, just ignore the north korean guy.
f0rsakeN has expressly said he would be open to joining NA/EMEA teams after Jinggg leaves for his service.
With love, "the north korean guy"
ItsMeDio [#71]yes
they are not getting better than master 1
master 1 zeta >> zeta right now
agree on that part, but Northeption is still a good team lol.
MomGoSky [#70]bro as an indonesian urself, don't you want forsaken to continue playing in SEA? Loss of great talents in the SEA scene is really bad. Why keep fighting about whether forsaken deserves to join fnatic? It is just not worth it, just ignore the north korean guy.
no. i always want f0rsaken playing his team with his nationality first. my bad tho. i shouldn't getting an online debate like this. there's no winner.
also, i really think his thought is so wrong when he said f0rsaken can't mesh with fnatic/m3c gameplay just because saw f0rsaken gameplay right now.
archetype [#73]agree on that part, but Northeption is still a good team lol.
hey, let me clear my statement
let's just go back to the first statement
u said,
1)
f0rsakeN's playstyle wouldn't really mesh well on either team imo. Fnatic are super strat/exec heavy, and M3C play a slow.
i dont think this is true. okay. forsaken gameplay is undiscipline because its ranked, benkai let f0rsaken and jinggg to do whatever they want that, and that's their gameplay right now. that's how they are playing right now. i think he can adapt well if the igl told him to discipline.
2)
fnatic has literally ZERO reason to adapt to f0rsakeN's gameplay. of couse zero reason.
this is just hypothetically. they "can adapt" if they want. just hypothetically , okay
3)
Lack of discipline is extremely big
again, i think it's their gameplay & how they are playing & just a matter of time, he can adapt imo
4)
How is it that his teammates are shit vs ZETA and DRX when it's the same team that 2-0 G2 and Guard?
ever heard of bad day? also, i already said zeta had 1 week preparation. it's "maybe" just maybe a fluke run, also they read their gamestyle
5)
I say PRX lost to ZETA because of lack of discipline
i respectfully said yes and no. Yes, their are undiscipline, but ZETA read their gameplay and game style. that's their gamestyle. undiscipline is also part of their gamestyle. they lost to zeta, because zeta read their "undiscipline" gameplay.
okay, this is my final thought. sorry about the grammar lol
ItsMeDio [#74]no. i always want f0rsaken playing his team with his nationality first. my bad tho. i shouldn't getting an online debate like this. there's no winner.
also, i really think his thought is so wrong when he said f0rsaken can't mesh with fnatic/m3c gameplay just because saw f0rsaken gameplay right now.
Listen, I'm tired of arguing. It's clear that both of us think we're in the right. I don't know your qualifications, and you don't know mine, but I am confident in what I'm saying. I'm also kind of convinced you're not understanding my point. Maybe there's some small language barrier.
he said f0rsaken can't mesh with fnatic/m3c gameplay just because saw f0rsaken gameplay right now.
I think it's true - what has been shown onstage in competitions, f0rsakeN is not the kind of player like Derke or Alfajer, he plays differently. Maybe in the future, he could be that player. He is young, after all. But from what has been shown since VCT Berlin until now, this playstyle of f0rsakeN does not fit with Fnatic/M3C.
You can sum up your final point here and just leave it as is.
MomGoSky [#70]bro as an indonesian urself, don't you want forsaken to continue playing in SEA? Loss of great talents in the SEA scene is really bad. Why keep fighting about whether forsaken deserves to join fnatic? It is just not worth it, just ignore the north korean guy.
no other strong player beside to replace jingg, if yes its harder to find out, and its harder to keep on top without strong player too
archetype [#77]Listen, I'm tired of arguing. It's clear that both of us think we're in the right. I don't know your qualifications, and you don't know mine, but I am confident in what I'm saying. I'm also kind of convinced you're not understanding my point. Maybe there's some small language barrier.
he said f0rsaken can't mesh with fnatic/m3c gameplay just because saw f0rsaken gameplay right now.
I think it's true - what has been shown onstage in competitions, f0rsakeN is not the kind of player like Derke or Alfajer, he plays differently. Maybe in the future, he could be that player. He is young, after all. But from what has been shown since VCT Berlin until now, this playstyle of f0rsakeN does not fit with Fnatic/M3C.
You can sum up your final point here and just leave it as is.
welp gg
ItsMeDio [#75]hey, let me clear my statement
let's just go back to the first statement
u said,
1)f0rsakeN's playstyle wouldn't really mesh well on either team imo. Fnatic are super strat/exec heavy, and M3C play a slow.
i dont think this is true. okay. forsaken gameplay is undiscipline because its ranked, benkai let f0rsaken and jinggg to do whatever they want that, and that's their gameplay right now. that's how they are playing right now. i think he can adapt well if the igl told him to discipline.
2)
fnatic has literally ZERO reason to adapt to f0rsakeN's gameplay. of couse zero reason.
this is just hypothetically. they "can adapt" if they want. just hypothetically , okay
3)
Lack of discipline is extremely big
again, i think it's their gameplay & how they are playing & just a matter of time, he can adapt imo4)
How is it that his teammates are shit vs ZETA and DRX when it's the same team that 2-0 G2 and Guard?
ever heard of bad day? also, i already said zeta had 1 week preparation. it's "maybe" just maybe a fluke run, also they read their gamestyle
5)
I say PRX lost to ZETA because of lack of discipline
i respectfully said yes and no. Yes, their are undiscipline, but ZETA read their gameplay and game style. that's their gamestyle. undiscipline is also part of their gamestyle. they lost to zeta, because zeta read their "undiscipline" gameplay.
okay, this is my final thought. sorry about the grammar lol
we kind of made the same type of comment at the same time LOL
i understand your comment, don't worry about the grammar, your grammar is fine.
I respectfully disagree with everything except this:
Lack of discipline is extremely big
again, i think it's their gameplay & how they are playing & just a matter of time, he can adapt imo
I would like this to happen and can see it happening. but currently, taking f0rsakeN right now and putting him in either team, i don't see it working.
Typer [#76]M3c players can't communicate in English?
It doesnt matter if they can, the fact is that they dont right now and communicate in russian both in and outside the game, it would be a huge downgrade for coach and igl to swap languages just for one player
makoidk [#30]true it wouldnt
but if it did i figure it would be
Boaster IGL/Smokes
Derke Flex
Alfajer Sentinel
f0rsakeN Duelist
Mistic Ini
mistic doesn't play initiator also wouldn't be right to remove a great initiator like enzo everyone have been calling him the silent hero, he's pretty impactful ngl
so maybe put boaster on controller and alfa on sentinel while forsaken plays main duellist
but either way they're good the way they are rn
Typer [#76]M3c players can't communicate in English?
communicating in your 2nd language and having international team is already a downgrade to potential its not worth for 1 player
NG1nS [#84]mistic doesn't play initiator also wouldn't be right to remove a great initiator like enzo everyone have been calling him the silent hero, he's pretty impactful ngl
so maybe put boaster on controller and alfa on sentinel while forsaken plays main duellist
but either way they're good the way they are rn
ah i see im not really familiar with enzo and mistics roles, it would kinda make sense if i swapped out mistic for enzo then
Victorie [#36]Why would he join a mid region that will never win Champions?
True. And PRX is doing greate right now, qualifying with ease to major.
He doesnt need to change to a team that struggling to compete
Victorie [#37]Dude are you dumb or what? Forsaken plays a style that works for his team. It’s what his team needa of him. Thinking otherwise means you have no ideea what you’re talking about.
theres no way youre actually this obtuse. youve gotta be trolling
Warlordwibz [#89]The start of double duelist for PRX and W gamingg
nope, they start with forsaken & davai, then it didn't work, change 1 duelist on forsaken
when jingg come, they back to double duelist again
Kampfervl [#88]True. And PRX is doing greate right now, qualifying with ease to major.
He doesnt need to change to a team that struggling to compete
you do realise next year jinggg will go NS right? what is he going to do when that time comes?
Victorie [#36]Why would he join a mid region that will never win Champions?
hey caveman, NA won both iceland majors
FlyingDoggoWoweeClap2 [#93]you do realise next year jinggg will go NS right? what is he going to do when that time comes?
yeah these kids forgot prx struggled without jingg, they did qualify for berlin but not champions
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