top 10 players

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Leo (1.29 rating, great form, very consistent and super flexible)
Derke (1.26 rating, amazing form, consistent and can play multiple agents)
yay (1.23 rating, same reasons as derke except slightly lower form and flexibility)
ScreaM (1.28 rating, same as all the above but slightly worse utility, bonus point for being IGL though)
zekken (1.27 rating, very flexible and consistent, quite underrated i feel)
aspas (1.32 rating, unreal form, can play multiple agents but low sample size)
cNed (1.32 rating, poor form, not that flexible but best player of 2021 in my opinion with most impressive rating)
f0rsaken (1.31, great form, consistent but plays against slightly lower level teams than above players)
Sacy (1.26 rating, very consistent and flexible)
nukkye (1.21, consistent and very flexible, all while being IGL)

thoughts? ratings are from thespike.gg

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really tried to sneak in nukkye LOL

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what?

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give a reason or is it just i didnt put a korean player?

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Nukkye may be top 10 EMEA but he's not top 10 world. Where's Jinggg? Where's sScary? SugarZ3ro? MaKo? Where's Cryo? This list is like 5 EMEA players, 2 NA, 2 BR, and 1 APAC lol. EMEA didn't even get to play properly vs international teams yet you picked the majority of your top 10 players from that region. I can agree with Derke and ScreaM. Leo is unproven (although I think he'll do well) and Nukkye did not do well at Iceland.

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recency bias

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"Recency Bias" says the guy who put Leo as number 1 lol...

And is talking about "form"

Also ludicrous to think I've some sort of agenda because you didn't put in a "korean player" - bro me saying this has nothing to do with being Korean or supporting Korean teams lol

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Leo has been consistently a top player in emea and the best on Guild for the longest time and form is only a small factor i thought i would mention it due to everyone in this community being very reactionary

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Leo is good, I agree. I think he'll show it during Masters. But I doubt that he's the best ITW when he hasn't even played a single LAN. And Jinggg, sScary, SugarZ3ro, MaKo have all proven themselves on LAN AND them + Cryo have been having insane tournaments. Cryo has been going toe-to-toe with Yay.

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it is a hot take i agree but it is just my opinion, i value consistency a lot. your opinion is respectable too. as for LANs i feel like we will really start to see difference between online vs lan players with crowd. at the moment players/teams tend to only underperform on their first LAN, after that it if they do underperform it is usually due to other factors rather than the LAN itself

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Agree, LAN jitters only last during the first few tournament games. But I was using LAN moreso to speak to international competition, rather than nerves. Everyone I've talked about -Cryo have performed insanely well against international competition.

As for consistency, I think it's arguable that yay>Derke when we talk about it as Derke had a few rough games adjusting to Chamber whereas Yay has never had a rough transitioning period.

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yay and derke are very close, the slightly higher rating and that derke plays raze pushed me to give it to derke but now that i think about it yay was more consistent and won Masters so it could go either way

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he should be top 3

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3rd in ACS, 2nd in KAST, 2nd in ADR, against top teams in EU. Clearly you know nothing about competitive Valorant

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That's fr crazy. Where was he when G2 were at Iceland? My guy was not even the best player in his team for any of those stats at an international tourney. And it's a lot easier to have better stats when you miss out on playoffs because you went 1-4. Like I said, he could be top 10 EMEA, but not top 10 world. You'd have to be crazy delusional to think a guy who didn't make playoffs in his own region is top 10 in the world. And you can't even say it's because of his team because last stage they were 2nd seed and he was IGLing. Give me good arguments on how Nukkye is a better player than Zyppan, Shao, Alfajer, Chronicle, Ardiis, and Suygetsu.

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Žygimantas "nukkye" Chmieliauskas was the ultimate counterpart to cNed's starpower in a duel of elite fraggers. He led his team statistically in three of the five maps and put up an elite 33 kill and 360 ACS performance on Icebox in an attempt to put the series away in four. He even surpassed an ace to kill six in one round at one point on Icebox.

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scream is not the igl wth

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its common knowledge scream is the igl and jamppi was the old igl

who do you think it is?..

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It’s still jamppi

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nope its been scream recently

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oh Scream's igl now?

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they switch up igl depending on the map no?

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So excited to see Leo & zekken on LAN

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i NEED to see GUILD vs XSET this LAN. just imagine how hyped it would be...

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mid team versus mid team?

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minte

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beats previous NA champions, beats reigning world champions

"mid team"

also reconsider your words after looking at your flair again

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calling leo the best and zekken the 5th best player is weird

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How?..

leo: playing in tier1 scene for longer time, slightly higher rating, and i just rate the guy more. the top 5 is extremely close

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you would think that other players like yay and derke would be ranked higher than leo and others above zekken but thinking about it now, i mean both are really consistent and good

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i think flex players naturally get less attention than flashy duelists

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no Korean player LUL
what a L list LMFAO

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Marved deserves to be up there

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only 1.08 rating

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the only thing he does is big dick plays while having a better aim then most other controllers, but he overall aint that good with game sense and util

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Mostly agreed, dont know about nukkye

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who to put over him?

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Sugytsu, nAts, Cryo, dicey, Victor, Meteor, I could go on. Nukkye was not great this stage, I think even Jawgemo was a better raze than him.

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those are in the conversation for sure. i think the best of those options is cryocells and nats

i try not be too reactionary. players performance is not linear and they got highs and lows

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but you value consistency, and if nukkye isnt consistent, he cant be top 10 in the world.

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TenZ
Hiko
Sinatraa
Hiko
ShahZam
Dapr
Hiko
SicK
Shroud

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SAME

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L for no vanity on that list

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You forgot mocking :(

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top 10 most overrated i agree

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what about shanks? L streamer NO DEALLLll

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I think you forgot Hiko

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Hahahahahahhaha

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DERKE
ALFAJER
ENZO
MISTIC
BOASTER
ARDIS
SHAO
ANGE1
SUYGETSU
ZYPPAN

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lol we get it you support fnatic, teh flair is more than enough right?

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Just stating faxx bruh nothing else

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This is what I mean lmfao

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i wonder how many of these players will fall off withe next big chamber nerf , scream and aspas seems like the most flexible atm, they can play any duelist role, scream can even igl and play intiator ansd sage

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which player from fnatic do you think is not flexible lol? derke is literally the most flexible duelist in the world, can play both raze and jett at the highest level and now is a god at chamber. alfa can play raze viper kj and any sentinel, he is even very good at neon. no need to explain about otheer 3 as they have literally shown how flexible they are , for ex boaster and mistic literally switched roles and ar still doing good

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only cNed would fall off if chamber gets nerfed, the other players on this list are flexible. we already saw what happened with jett nerf

that is a big problem with cned i think, if the guy tried playing other agents, even if its just in ranked, would become a better more flexible player. probably would become the best player if he pushed himself to learn new playstyles

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I doubt derke and yay would be that affected. Remember yay was one of the best entry Jetts last year and derke has a great raze

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guys i only speculated , aslo yays jett wasnt the same after the nerf tbh, chamber suited him alot and he wil surely be affected not saying he will become bad or he is a one trick

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man i hope zekken keeps his form the kid is insanely talented

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if yay is not the best player i am from Pluto

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hello plutonian, how are you enjoying earth?

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the fact my boy Alfa isnt here

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too low sample size , even lower than aspas

if he keeps it up for next 4 months then sure

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super fair but I think he's gonna develop into a better derke and take the Turkish powers of cned no cap

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would have alfajer and mako on the list, otherwise solid

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Need to see Alfajer on LAN first, but the man is one of the best new player of the year.

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1 - LOUD Baldman

btw, who is leo?

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i'd say "hope you're not gonna learn in a bad way" if i see your flair in masters ..

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if Guild does not get out of group stage, what will be your excuse? Inflation in EURO zone? War? Price of gas?

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