APAC is such a strong region and all of you are shitting on a team that's new to the region for bringing our culture to it. as a region we should unite, regardless of whether we are Indian, Singaporean, Thai, Indonesian, Australian, Malaysian or even Kiwi. We are such a diverse and multi-cultural region and that's what makes the Asia-Pacific region so beautiful. Instead of searching for reasons to hate each other, let's unite for a shared love of this game!
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so ? thats your mindset brudda
someone lies = someone deserves toxic and racist slurs LOL
and it wasnt a lie he meant like one map which they did win even if boom was dcing and shit and since they were dcing they stopped the scrim and didnt continue with the 2nd map
which wronski said this was an excuse which isnt the case .
he exxagerated and wasnt straight up lies
The truth is, as revealed by coaches from both side -
Boom never lost scrims, they won map 1 and map 2 with packet loss. They cancelled the scrim on map 3 before even starting already being up 2-0. BOOM beat ORDER with packet loss.
WRONSKI not only clearly stated that "they were thrashing" which means something like a 18-6 or 20-4 or even 24-0 scoreline. But he effectively called Boom unable to cope with the emotions of loosing a scrim game and hence called it quits.
You do not understand how serious of a lie this is especially when it's general courtesy to not reveal anything about scrims to the public.
Not justifying what fl1p does over here. He is indeed known to be toxic + racist. But you also know that fl1p will most probably continue to play professionally cause Racism was never an issue in Indonesia and India.
Being racist in the US is different cause when you are racist against a black man you associate yourself with the years of cruelty and the history.
Being racist in Asia is like "LAOS people eat fish".
Regardless fl1p should also get hate/should apologize cause he should understand the consequences of his words as well.
I do not justify this behaviour but hear me out.
This happens every game.
Ever thought how teams from Nepal/Bangladesh/Sri Lanka/Pakistan feel when playing in South Asian tourneys?
I see kids spamming stuff related to momos in matches against Nepal.
I see kids spamming terrorists in matches against Pakistan.
In APAC I saw kids spamming FemBoys/Lady Boys in EG vs MiTH.
Indonesia/Phillipines/Thai kids are no different.
The world is not perfect and these stupid kids will always be there in every region. Its a professional hazard and a skill to ignore all of this and continue to improve.
I personally do not send out toxic comments/death threats to players. I also do not encourage fl1p's behaviour. But just because WRONSKI is getting hate does not mean he gets away with the mess he created (ofc to be discussed in a civil matter)
You can feel free to somehow complain about fl1p's behaviour to Riot. If I get time I will support you for sure and I bet a lot of sensible Indonesians here will do that too.
we can do it tbh, but there are so many kids trolling on the internet, that there's nothing we can do about it. And for flip I would like to apologize for his racist comment and it's not the first time for him to been such a dickhead...
let's make this community clean of that toxicity as far as we can.
Honestly, it would be great if a new region trying to incorporate into such a big and competitive region would not act as big douchebags.
Let's be honest we all love Cinderella stories, the underdog upsets, the dark horse runs. ORDER matched all those criteria. They had a good star player, and very talented support around them and they have been separated for a long time from APAC to have everyone root for them.
However, you genuinely cannot make such posts asking for sympathy when you ruined all of this for everyone.
It all starts with Maple starting to queue in the SEA servers. Within 2 days he is a menace to 50% of the high elo players on the Singapore server. I genuinely do not remember a player of such menace in any server. I have seen throwers, I have seen hackers but no one had such a shitty attitude. To top it all off, he is a pro player. Ofc any player who has ever played with him wished for his downfall in APAC. Same for any viewers of pro players/streamers that had him in their games.
Wronski is an extremely young player and has a long career ahead of him as the APAC region will only continue to grow but you just cannot be so boastful about you being so good.
Ever notice the difference between WRONSKI and people who actually did something in Valorant?
TenZ won Iceland and never did I see him boasting about it and saying that he is the best or anything.
Forsaken and Jingg are absolute dominators in the APAC region yet if you tune in to their stream they are the most soft-spoken people despite the talent they have.
Eneri from Alter Ego celeste also is quite humble despite her talent and she is a part of one of the best GC squads in the world.
Do you want to take examples of regions that are new? Take India for example, no Indian pro ever was boastful about how good he is and how they will beat every APAC team. All they used to say is that they are going in with confidence (and that is how attitude should be). Noxxy and the rest of Alter Ego team TBagged hard at GE. However, did it ever get this messy? Some kids sent DMs to Noxxy but GE managers and players all apologized for this and it was settled in a civil way.
The same is true for literally everyone else - Yay, Nats, cNeD, you name it.
Let's compare what ORDER did -
1) Maple does not appreciate the fact that they are playing in a new region and went on with his toxic behaviour in a different and much larger server.
2) WRONSKI trash-talking Boom and effectively calling them out as such huge pussies that they cancelled the scrim just because they beat them.
It's separate from being confident and it's different from being so delusional about the abilities that you LIE ABOUT SCRIM RESULTS in your streams. Then he also proceeds to lose the game.
3) He even made a reply to my thread on VLR posting my honest opinion. Imagine being so down bad that you read and respond to VLR threads that might just be bait.
Compare this to what Boom coach did - He just plainly explained that he never lost to ORDER.
What does ORDER coach do? How does he even get the confidence to say something like this after loosing to a team with poor form and after their team has trash talked them so much.
I know as a fact that it is tough for the players of ORDER and the fans who had to wait almost 1 and a half years to see them play on an international stage but you just have to take responsibility for what you say. You cannot expect others to say nothing while you are the one doing the most trash-talk, especially as a young region.
I still do respect Texta, rDeeW and other ORDER members who have worked hard and their effort showed. WRONSKI is also talented (albeit young and inexperienced). However you just have to take this L for the time being.
Remember to not feed your egos too much next time.
Maple's not toxic at all. he's just a troller XD, Shouldn't have brought that to APAC Challengers ngl cos he doesn't know the players personally. i guarantee he's trolling
Edit:: I know it's pretty disrespectful to be behaving like that, but Maples a really nice person, and I hate to see his figure being smeared on this site. I'm know it's light-hearted, despite that he was disrespectful.
Imagine going to a foreign country/Imagine being a transfer student to a new school/Imagine being a guest at a party.
You behave like maple.
You demand respect.
I should not have to say anything else to prove my point.
Or maybe Aussies are just the most awkward people around which I would not want to believe.
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