APAC is such a strong region and all of you are shitting on a team that's new to the region for bringing our culture to it. as a region we should unite, regardless of whether we are Indian, Singaporean, Thai, Indonesian, Australian, Malaysian or even Kiwi. We are such a diverse and multi-cultural region and that's what makes the Asia-Pacific region so beautiful. Instead of searching for reasons to hate each other, let's unite for a shared love of this game!
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Domination [#7]Yes you are right but tbh which region on Earth even unites 😂, it is so common for people in the same region to talk bad at each other, this is just what humans are, unless we are attacked by aliens lmao
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Domination [#7]Yes you are right but tbh which region on Earth even unites 😂, it is so common for people in the same region to talk bad at each other, this is just what humans are, unless we are attacked by aliens lmao
but apac is a region itself instead of saying shit to each other we should suppport our teams so we can say shit to eu nd na instead xD
Nezko_ [#5]apac the only region which trashtalk nd say shit within each other LOL
100% not only, but we can be the only one that doesn't
meyournightmare [#8]imagine trashtalking about a team and when they do it back u start crying on twitter
common meyournightmare L
he aint talking bout the teams
hes talking about the fans
legit see wronskis twitter indos saying toxic slurs to him
and also fl1pz being racist 'eat fish my laos guy'
TS_ChedZ [#12]100% not only, but we can be the only one that doesn't
i mean yep not only but we go too deep and take banter to our hearts and start getting toxic nd racist
Nezko_ [#13]common meyournightmare L
he aint talking bout the teams
hes talking about the fans
legit see wronskis twitter indos saying toxic slurs to him
and also fl1pz being racist 'eat fish my laos guy'
making our beautiful region less polarised starts with the fans. it is up to US to make our region better
Nezko_ [#5]apac the only region which trashtalk nd say shit within each other LOL
1 minute in the Balkans and you will regret this statement with vehemence
Nezko_ [#14]i mean yep not only but we go too deep and take banter to our hearts and start getting toxic nd racist
there's a fine line between banter and straight toxicity. we're starting to get toxic
Nezko_ [#13]common meyournightmare L
he aint talking bout the teams
hes talking about the fans
legit see wronskis twitter indos saying toxic slurs to him
and also fl1pz being racist 'eat fish my laos guy'
well deserved actually he lied about winning in scrims too
WinterZ [#17]1 minute in the Balkans and you will regret this statement with vehemence
haha, That's a very complicated and political topic so I won't go into balkanisation on this site lol.
TS_ChedZ [#18]there's a fine line between banter and straight toxicity. we're starting to get toxic
exactly yk banter till a limit is fun and enjoyable to the fans but our audience is a bit immature and they really take it to hearts
TS_ChedZ [#15]making our beautiful region less polarised starts with the fans. it is up to US to make our region better
mind checking out your order fanbois after the order vs oasis match? first stop overhype teams then we can talk about indo fans
Beyonder [#21]welcome to Balkans 2.0 my fellow Aussie
I've been apart of this community for a as long as i can remember. I'm hoping i can open the floor for change. small steps
TS_ChedZ [#22]haha, That's a very complicated and political topic so I won't go into balkanisation on this site lol.
yes me neither I'm just pointing this out. Its for sure not a conversation meant for vlr.gg
meyournightmare [#19]well deserved actually he lied about winning in scrims too
so ? thats your mindset brudda
someone lies = someone deserves toxic and racist slurs LOL
and it wasnt a lie he meant like one map which they did win even if boom was dcing and shit and since they were dcing they stopped the scrim and didnt continue with the 2nd map
which wronski said this was an excuse which isnt the case .
he exxagerated and wasnt straight up lies
TS_ChedZ [#25]I've been apart of this community for a as long as i can remember. I'm hoping i can open the floor for change. small steps
we can do it tbh, but there are so many kids trolling on the internet, that there's nothing we can do about it. And for flip I would like to apologize for his racist comment and it's not the first time for him to been such a dickhead...
let's make this community clean of that toxicity as far as we can.
meyournightmare [#24]mind checking out your order fanbois after the order vs oasis match? first stop overhype teams then we can talk about indo fans
mhmm you seem like an indo fake flagger
all your posts bout apac too
mhmm
Nezko_ [#27]so ? thats your mindset brudda
someone lies = someone deserves toxic and racist slurs LOL
and it wasnt a lie he meant like one map which they did win even if boom was dcing and shit and since they were dcing they stopped the scrim and didnt continue with the 2nd map
which wronski said this was an excuse which isnt the case .
he exxagerated and wasnt straight up lies
yea sure they might win LCQ and smash PRX in scrims and should also win champions
Nezko_ [#30]mhmm you seem like an indo fake flagger
all your posts bout apac too
mhmm
all current threads are about apac you scroll down you see posts about EMEA
meyournightmare [#32]all current threads are about apac you scroll down you see posts about EMEA
im talking bout your oldest posts on your 9th page mhmm
meyournightmare [#31]yea sure they might win LCQ and smash PRX in scrims and should also win champions
idc bout what they do i dont even follow oce scene nor im order fan its just bout the maturity of the audience all the copypastas nd banter was fun until i saw indos bullying wronski with toxic slurs on his twitter not deserved at all whatever he said
KillMonkOP [#35]Where were you when people were trolling GE for their poor performance? Making fun of them as well. Now why do you expect others to support your team when you were the ones who started the slander?
I agree, not generalizing but some of them started it and some of them have big egos.
KillMonkOP [#35]Where were you when people were trolling GE for their poor performance? Making fun of them as well. Now why do you expect others to support your team when you were the ones who started the slander?
They only start crying when it affects them. If you talk shit and act like shit, then be prepared to get shit thrown to you as well.
Domination [#7]Yes you are right but tbh which region on Earth even unites 😂, it is so common for people in the same region to talk bad at each other, this is just what humans are, unless we are attacked by aliens lmao
I bet if aliens attack us, there would be a group of people that would be like talking shit to others while giving high-fives to the aliens
Faraday [#38]Even kiwis? Feelsgoodman
haha, i have lot's of banter with you guys but i secretly love you
KillMonkOP [#35]Where were you when people were trolling GE for their poor performance? Making fun of them as well. Now why do you expect others to support your team when you were the ones who started the slander?
I was supporting GE!
KillMonkOP [#35]Where were you when people were trolling GE for their poor performance? Making fun of them as well. Now why do you expect others to support your team when you were the ones who started the slander?
so ur reason for being toxic is that others were toxic first
what a dummy
be better than them
Giannero [#46]First your players lose that ego that they don't have to have since they're shit, then you can talk about this again
Common __ take
Luck_ [#45]TS_ChedZ. once again, you have brightened up my day with the biggest W i have seen. ever.
I love you Luck_
Gyro [#43]Facts, having healthy rivalry is good
but we shld all support each regions teamour APAC region is miles behind NA n EU
even South America is very aheadwe shld all support our region of APAC and alao the improvements wont happen overnight so also be patient with our teams
Miles behind .... In terms of what ?
Honestly, it would be great if a new region trying to incorporate into such a big and competitive region would not act as big douchebags.
Let's be honest we all love Cinderella stories, the underdog upsets, the dark horse runs. ORDER matched all those criteria. They had a good star player, and very talented support around them and they have been separated for a long time from APAC to have everyone root for them.
However, you genuinely cannot make such posts asking for sympathy when you ruined all of this for everyone.
It all starts with Maple starting to queue in the SEA servers. Within 2 days he is a menace to 50% of the high elo players on the Singapore server. I genuinely do not remember a player of such menace in any server. I have seen throwers, I have seen hackers but no one had such a shitty attitude. To top it all off, he is a pro player. Ofc any player who has ever played with him wished for his downfall in APAC. Same for any viewers of pro players/streamers that had him in their games.
Wronski is an extremely young player and has a long career ahead of him as the APAC region will only continue to grow but you just cannot be so boastful about you being so good.
Ever notice the difference between WRONSKI and people who actually did something in Valorant?
TenZ won Iceland and never did I see him boasting about it and saying that he is the best or anything.
Forsaken and Jingg are absolute dominators in the APAC region yet if you tune in to their stream they are the most soft-spoken people despite the talent they have.
Eneri from Alter Ego celeste also is quite humble despite her talent and she is a part of one of the best GC squads in the world.
Do you want to take examples of regions that are new? Take India for example, no Indian pro ever was boastful about how good he is and how they will beat every APAC team. All they used to say is that they are going in with confidence (and that is how attitude should be). Noxxy and the rest of Alter Ego team TBagged hard at GE. However, did it ever get this messy? Some kids sent DMs to Noxxy but GE managers and players all apologized for this and it was settled in a civil way.
The same is true for literally everyone else - Yay, Nats, cNeD, you name it.
Let's compare what ORDER did -
1) Maple does not appreciate the fact that they are playing in a new region and went on with his toxic behaviour in a different and much larger server.
2) WRONSKI trash-talking Boom and effectively calling them out as such huge pussies that they cancelled the scrim just because they beat them.
It's separate from being confident and it's different from being so delusional about the abilities that you LIE ABOUT SCRIM RESULTS in your streams. Then he also proceeds to lose the game.
3) He even made a reply to my thread on VLR posting my honest opinion. Imagine being so down bad that you read and respond to VLR threads that might just be bait.
Compare this to what Boom coach did - He just plainly explained that he never lost to ORDER.
What does ORDER coach do? How does he even get the confidence to say something like this after loosing to a team with poor form and after their team has trash talked them so much.
I know as a fact that it is tough for the players of ORDER and the fans who had to wait almost 1 and a half years to see them play on an international stage but you just have to take responsibility for what you say. You cannot expect others to say nothing while you are the one doing the most trash-talk, especially as a young region.
I still do respect Texta, rDeeW and other ORDER members who have worked hard and their effort showed. WRONSKI is also talented (albeit young and inexperienced). However you just have to take this L for the time being.
Remember to not feed your egos too much next time.
SnooTangerines [#55]Honestly, it would be great if a new region trying to incorporate into such a big and competitive region would not act as big douchebags.
Let's be honest we all love Cinderella stories, the underdog upsets, the dark horse runs. ORDER matched all those criteria. They had a good star player, and very talented support around them and they have been separated for a long time from APAC to have everyone root for them.
However, you genuinely cannot make such posts asking for sympathy when you ruined all of this for everyone.
It all starts with Maple starting to queue in the SEA servers. Within 2 days he is a menace to 50% of the high elo players on the Singapore server. I genuinely do not remember a player of such menace in any server. I have seen throwers, I have seen hackers but no one had such a shitty attitude. To top it all off, he is a pro player. Ofc any player who has ever played with him wished for his downfall in APAC. Same for any viewers of pro players/streamers that had him in their games.
Wronski is an extremely young player and has a long career ahead of him as the APAC region will only continue to grow but you just cannot be so boastful about you being so good.
Ever notice the difference between WRONSKI and people who actually did something in Valorant?TenZ won Iceland and never did I see him boasting about it and saying that he is the best or anything.
Forsaken and Jingg are absolute dominators in the APAC region yet if you tune in to their stream they are the most soft-spoken people despite the talent they have.
Eneri from Alter Ego celeste also is quite humble despite her talent and she is a part of one of the best GC squads in the world.
Do you want to take examples of regions that are new? Take India for example, no Indian pro ever was boastful about how good he is and how they will beat every APAC team. All they used to say is that they are going in with confidence (and that is how attitude should be). Noxxy and the rest of Alter Ego team TBagged hard at GE. However, did it ever get this messy? Some kids sent DMs to Noxxy but GE managers and players all apologized for this and it was settled in a civil way.
The same is true for literally everyone else - Yay, Nats, cNeD, you name it.
Let's compare what ORDER did -
1) Maple does not appreciate the fact that they are playing in a new region and went on with his toxic behaviour in a different and much larger server.
2) WRONSKI trash-talking Boom and effectively calling them out as such huge pussies that they cancelled the scrim just because they beat them.
It's separate from being confident and it's different from being so delusional about the abilities that you LIE ABOUT SCRIM RESULTS in your streams. Then he also proceeds to lose the game.3) He even made a reply to my thread on VLR posting my honest opinion. Imagine being so down bad that you read and respond to VLR threads that might just be bait.
Compare this to what Boom coach did - He just plainly explained that he never lost to ORDER.
What does ORDER coach do? How does he even get the confidence to say something like this after loosing to a team with poor form and after their team has trash talked them so much.
I know as a fact that it is tough for the players of ORDER and the fans who had to wait almost 1 and a half years to see them play on an international stage but you just have to take responsibility for what you say. You cannot expect others to say nothing while you are the one doing the most trash-talk, especially as a young region.
I still do respect Texta, rDeeW and other ORDER members who have worked hard and their effort showed. WRONSKI is also talented (albeit young and inexperienced). However you just have to take this L for the time being.
Remember to not feed your egos too much next time.
TLDR; Efforts for ORDER members are appreciable however they should try and be more humble next time and APAC will also be more warm and welcoming towards them.
SnooTangerines [#56]TLDR; Efforts for ORDER members are appreciable however they should try and be more humble next time and APAC will also be more warm and welcoming towards them.
fun fact they are losing to team that never goes to master( Boom )
Nezko_ [#27]so ? thats your mindset brudda
someone lies = someone deserves toxic and racist slurs LOL
and it wasnt a lie he meant like one map which they did win even if boom was dcing and shit and since they were dcing they stopped the scrim and didnt continue with the 2nd map
which wronski said this was an excuse which isnt the case .
he exxagerated and wasnt straight up lies
The truth is, as revealed by coaches from both side -
Boom never lost scrims, they won map 1 and map 2 with packet loss. They cancelled the scrim on map 3 before even starting already being up 2-0. BOOM beat ORDER with packet loss.
WRONSKI not only clearly stated that "they were thrashing" which means something like a 18-6 or 20-4 or even 24-0 scoreline. But he effectively called Boom unable to cope with the emotions of loosing a scrim game and hence called it quits.
You do not understand how serious of a lie this is especially when it's general courtesy to not reveal anything about scrims to the public.
Primion [#57]fun fact they are losing to team that never goes to master( Boom )
BOOM has been in poor form and forget APAC, even if Indonesia alone got 2 master slots, BOOM would still not be there.
SnooTangerines [#55]Honestly, it would be great if a new region trying to incorporate into such a big and competitive region would not act as big douchebags.
Let's be honest we all love Cinderella stories, the underdog upsets, the dark horse runs. ORDER matched all those criteria. They had a good star player, and very talented support around them and they have been separated for a long time from APAC to have everyone root for them.
However, you genuinely cannot make such posts asking for sympathy when you ruined all of this for everyone.
It all starts with Maple starting to queue in the SEA servers. Within 2 days he is a menace to 50% of the high elo players on the Singapore server. I genuinely do not remember a player of such menace in any server. I have seen throwers, I have seen hackers but no one had such a shitty attitude. To top it all off, he is a pro player. Ofc any player who has ever played with him wished for his downfall in APAC. Same for any viewers of pro players/streamers that had him in their games.
Wronski is an extremely young player and has a long career ahead of him as the APAC region will only continue to grow but you just cannot be so boastful about you being so good.
Ever notice the difference between WRONSKI and people who actually did something in Valorant?TenZ won Iceland and never did I see him boasting about it and saying that he is the best or anything.
Forsaken and Jingg are absolute dominators in the APAC region yet if you tune in to their stream they are the most soft-spoken people despite the talent they have.
Eneri from Alter Ego celeste also is quite humble despite her talent and she is a part of one of the best GC squads in the world.
Do you want to take examples of regions that are new? Take India for example, no Indian pro ever was boastful about how good he is and how they will beat every APAC team. All they used to say is that they are going in with confidence (and that is how attitude should be). Noxxy and the rest of Alter Ego team TBagged hard at GE. However, did it ever get this messy? Some kids sent DMs to Noxxy but GE managers and players all apologized for this and it was settled in a civil way.
The same is true for literally everyone else - Yay, Nats, cNeD, you name it.
Let's compare what ORDER did -
1) Maple does not appreciate the fact that they are playing in a new region and went on with his toxic behaviour in a different and much larger server.
2) WRONSKI trash-talking Boom and effectively calling them out as such huge pussies that they cancelled the scrim just because they beat them.
It's separate from being confident and it's different from being so delusional about the abilities that you LIE ABOUT SCRIM RESULTS in your streams. Then he also proceeds to lose the game.3) He even made a reply to my thread on VLR posting my honest opinion. Imagine being so down bad that you read and respond to VLR threads that might just be bait.
Compare this to what Boom coach did - He just plainly explained that he never lost to ORDER.
What does ORDER coach do? How does he even get the confidence to say something like this after loosing to a team with poor form and after their team has trash talked them so much.
I know as a fact that it is tough for the players of ORDER and the fans who had to wait almost 1 and a half years to see them play on an international stage but you just have to take responsibility for what you say. You cannot expect others to say nothing while you are the one doing the most trash-talk, especially as a young region.
I still do respect Texta, rDeeW and other ORDER members who have worked hard and their effort showed. WRONSKI is also talented (albeit young and inexperienced). However you just have to take this L for the time being.
Remember to not feed your egos too much next time.
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Hold Order accountable
SnooTangerines [#58]The truth is, as revealed by coaches from both side -
Boom never lost scrims, they won map 1 and map 2 with packet loss. They cancelled the scrim on map 3 before even starting already being up 2-0. BOOM beat ORDER with packet loss.
WRONSKI not only clearly stated that "they were thrashing" which means something like a 18-6 or 20-4 or even 24-0 scoreline. But he effectively called Boom unable to cope with the emotions of loosing a scrim game and hence called it quits.
You do not understand how serious of a lie this is especially when it's general courtesy to not reveal anything about scrims to the public.
BRO WHAT
are u fudging kidding me ?
he deserves to say an apology and banter and whatever ?
but not fudging toxic slurs and racism
think about it
Ultimateattack [#61]i feel like the one time APAC is truly together is when we support APAC teams at masters/champions
But in other side there still trash talk at APAC playoff each region
Nezko_ [#62]BRO WHAT
are u fudging kidding me ?
he deserves to say an apology and banter and whatever ?
but not fudging toxic slurs and racism
think about it
Not justifying what fl1p does over here. He is indeed known to be toxic + racist. But you also know that fl1p will most probably continue to play professionally cause Racism was never an issue in Indonesia and India.
Being racist in the US is different cause when you are racist against a black man you associate yourself with the years of cruelty and the history.
Being racist in Asia is like "LAOS people eat fish".
Regardless fl1p should also get hate/should apologize cause he should understand the consequences of his words as well.
SnooTangerines [#55]Honestly, it would be great if a new region trying to incorporate into such a big and competitive region would not act as big douchebags.
Let's be honest we all love Cinderella stories, the underdog upsets, the dark horse runs. ORDER matched all those criteria. They had a good star player, and very talented support around them and they have been separated for a long time from APAC to have everyone root for them.
However, you genuinely cannot make such posts asking for sympathy when you ruined all of this for everyone.
It all starts with Maple starting to queue in the SEA servers. Within 2 days he is a menace to 50% of the high elo players on the Singapore server. I genuinely do not remember a player of such menace in any server. I have seen throwers, I have seen hackers but no one had such a shitty attitude. To top it all off, he is a pro player. Ofc any player who has ever played with him wished for his downfall in APAC. Same for any viewers of pro players/streamers that had him in their games.
Wronski is an extremely young player and has a long career ahead of him as the APAC region will only continue to grow but you just cannot be so boastful about you being so good.
Ever notice the difference between WRONSKI and people who actually did something in Valorant?TenZ won Iceland and never did I see him boasting about it and saying that he is the best or anything.
Forsaken and Jingg are absolute dominators in the APAC region yet if you tune in to their stream they are the most soft-spoken people despite the talent they have.
Eneri from Alter Ego celeste also is quite humble despite her talent and she is a part of one of the best GC squads in the world.
Do you want to take examples of regions that are new? Take India for example, no Indian pro ever was boastful about how good he is and how they will beat every APAC team. All they used to say is that they are going in with confidence (and that is how attitude should be). Noxxy and the rest of Alter Ego team TBagged hard at GE. However, did it ever get this messy? Some kids sent DMs to Noxxy but GE managers and players all apologized for this and it was settled in a civil way.
The same is true for literally everyone else - Yay, Nats, cNeD, you name it.
Let's compare what ORDER did -
1) Maple does not appreciate the fact that they are playing in a new region and went on with his toxic behaviour in a different and much larger server.
2) WRONSKI trash-talking Boom and effectively calling them out as such huge pussies that they cancelled the scrim just because they beat them.
It's separate from being confident and it's different from being so delusional about the abilities that you LIE ABOUT SCRIM RESULTS in your streams. Then he also proceeds to lose the game.3) He even made a reply to my thread on VLR posting my honest opinion. Imagine being so down bad that you read and respond to VLR threads that might just be bait.
Compare this to what Boom coach did - He just plainly explained that he never lost to ORDER.
What does ORDER coach do? How does he even get the confidence to say something like this after loosing to a team with poor form and after their team has trash talked them so much.
I know as a fact that it is tough for the players of ORDER and the fans who had to wait almost 1 and a half years to see them play on an international stage but you just have to take responsibility for what you say. You cannot expect others to say nothing while you are the one doing the most trash-talk, especially as a young region.
I still do respect Texta, rDeeW and other ORDER members who have worked hard and their effort showed. WRONSKI is also talented (albeit young and inexperienced). However you just have to take this L for the time being.
Remember to not feed your egos too much next time.
SnooTangerines W
SnooTangerines [#55]Honestly, it would be great if a new region trying to incorporate into such a big and competitive region would not act as big douchebags.
Let's be honest we all love Cinderella stories, the underdog upsets, the dark horse runs. ORDER matched all those criteria. They had a good star player, and very talented support around them and they have been separated for a long time from APAC to have everyone root for them.
However, you genuinely cannot make such posts asking for sympathy when you ruined all of this for everyone.
It all starts with Maple starting to queue in the SEA servers. Within 2 days he is a menace to 50% of the high elo players on the Singapore server. I genuinely do not remember a player of such menace in any server. I have seen throwers, I have seen hackers but no one had such a shitty attitude. To top it all off, he is a pro player. Ofc any player who has ever played with him wished for his downfall in APAC. Same for any viewers of pro players/streamers that had him in their games.
Wronski is an extremely young player and has a long career ahead of him as the APAC region will only continue to grow but you just cannot be so boastful about you being so good.
Ever notice the difference between WRONSKI and people who actually did something in Valorant?TenZ won Iceland and never did I see him boasting about it and saying that he is the best or anything.
Forsaken and Jingg are absolute dominators in the APAC region yet if you tune in to their stream they are the most soft-spoken people despite the talent they have.
Eneri from Alter Ego celeste also is quite humble despite her talent and she is a part of one of the best GC squads in the world.
Do you want to take examples of regions that are new? Take India for example, no Indian pro ever was boastful about how good he is and how they will beat every APAC team. All they used to say is that they are going in with confidence (and that is how attitude should be). Noxxy and the rest of Alter Ego team TBagged hard at GE. However, did it ever get this messy? Some kids sent DMs to Noxxy but GE managers and players all apologized for this and it was settled in a civil way.
The same is true for literally everyone else - Yay, Nats, cNeD, you name it.
Let's compare what ORDER did -
1) Maple does not appreciate the fact that they are playing in a new region and went on with his toxic behaviour in a different and much larger server.
2) WRONSKI trash-talking Boom and effectively calling them out as such huge pussies that they cancelled the scrim just because they beat them.
It's separate from being confident and it's different from being so delusional about the abilities that you LIE ABOUT SCRIM RESULTS in your streams. Then he also proceeds to lose the game.3) He even made a reply to my thread on VLR posting my honest opinion. Imagine being so down bad that you read and respond to VLR threads that might just be bait.
Compare this to what Boom coach did - He just plainly explained that he never lost to ORDER.
What does ORDER coach do? How does he even get the confidence to say something like this after loosing to a team with poor form and after their team has trash talked them so much.
I know as a fact that it is tough for the players of ORDER and the fans who had to wait almost 1 and a half years to see them play on an international stage but you just have to take responsibility for what you say. You cannot expect others to say nothing while you are the one doing the most trash-talk, especially as a young region.
I still do respect Texta, rDeeW and other ORDER members who have worked hard and their effort showed. WRONSKI is also talented (albeit young and inexperienced). However you just have to take this L for the time being.
Remember to not feed your egos too much next time.
W
SnooTangerines [#65]Not justifying what fl1p does over here. He is indeed known to be toxic + racist. But you also know that fl1p will most probably continue to play professionally cause Racism was never an issue in Indonesia and India.
Being racist in the US is different cause when you are racist against a black man you associate yourself with the years of cruelty and the history.
Being racist in Asia is like "LAOS people eat fish".
Regardless fl1p should also get hate/should apologize cause he should understand the consequences of his words as well.
its not just about what fl1pz said if you see wronskis twitter legit indos saying toxic slurs
SnooTangerines [#55]Honestly, it would be great if a new region trying to incorporate into such a big and competitive region would not act as big douchebags.
Let's be honest we all love Cinderella stories, the underdog upsets, the dark horse runs. ORDER matched all those criteria. They had a good star player, and very talented support around them and they have been separated for a long time from APAC to have everyone root for them.
However, you genuinely cannot make such posts asking for sympathy when you ruined all of this for everyone.
It all starts with Maple starting to queue in the SEA servers. Within 2 days he is a menace to 50% of the high elo players on the Singapore server. I genuinely do not remember a player of such menace in any server. I have seen throwers, I have seen hackers but no one had such a shitty attitude. To top it all off, he is a pro player. Ofc any player who has ever played with him wished for his downfall in APAC. Same for any viewers of pro players/streamers that had him in their games.
Wronski is an extremely young player and has a long career ahead of him as the APAC region will only continue to grow but you just cannot be so boastful about you being so good.
Ever notice the difference between WRONSKI and people who actually did something in Valorant?TenZ won Iceland and never did I see him boasting about it and saying that he is the best or anything.
Forsaken and Jingg are absolute dominators in the APAC region yet if you tune in to their stream they are the most soft-spoken people despite the talent they have.
Eneri from Alter Ego celeste also is quite humble despite her talent and she is a part of one of the best GC squads in the world.
Do you want to take examples of regions that are new? Take India for example, no Indian pro ever was boastful about how good he is and how they will beat every APAC team. All they used to say is that they are going in with confidence (and that is how attitude should be). Noxxy and the rest of Alter Ego team TBagged hard at GE. However, did it ever get this messy? Some kids sent DMs to Noxxy but GE managers and players all apologized for this and it was settled in a civil way.
The same is true for literally everyone else - Yay, Nats, cNeD, you name it.
Let's compare what ORDER did -
1) Maple does not appreciate the fact that they are playing in a new region and went on with his toxic behaviour in a different and much larger server.
2) WRONSKI trash-talking Boom and effectively calling them out as such huge pussies that they cancelled the scrim just because they beat them.
It's separate from being confident and it's different from being so delusional about the abilities that you LIE ABOUT SCRIM RESULTS in your streams. Then he also proceeds to lose the game.3) He even made a reply to my thread on VLR posting my honest opinion. Imagine being so down bad that you read and respond to VLR threads that might just be bait.
Compare this to what Boom coach did - He just plainly explained that he never lost to ORDER.
What does ORDER coach do? How does he even get the confidence to say something like this after loosing to a team with poor form and after their team has trash talked them so much.
I know as a fact that it is tough for the players of ORDER and the fans who had to wait almost 1 and a half years to see them play on an international stage but you just have to take responsibility for what you say. You cannot expect others to say nothing while you are the one doing the most trash-talk, especially as a young region.
I still do respect Texta, rDeeW and other ORDER members who have worked hard and their effort showed. WRONSKI is also talented (albeit young and inexperienced). However you just have to take this L for the time being.
Remember to not feed your egos too much next time.
n1
SnooTangerines [#55]Honestly, it would be great if a new region trying to incorporate into such a big and competitive region would not act as big douchebags.
Let's be honest we all love Cinderella stories, the underdog upsets, the dark horse runs. ORDER matched all those criteria. They had a good star player, and very talented support around them and they have been separated for a long time from APAC to have everyone root for them.
However, you genuinely cannot make such posts asking for sympathy when you ruined all of this for everyone.
It all starts with Maple starting to queue in the SEA servers. Within 2 days he is a menace to 50% of the high elo players on the Singapore server. I genuinely do not remember a player of such menace in any server. I have seen throwers, I have seen hackers but no one had such a shitty attitude. To top it all off, he is a pro player. Ofc any player who has ever played with him wished for his downfall in APAC. Same for any viewers of pro players/streamers that had him in their games.
Wronski is an extremely young player and has a long career ahead of him as the APAC region will only continue to grow but you just cannot be so boastful about you being so good.
Ever notice the difference between WRONSKI and people who actually did something in Valorant?TenZ won Iceland and never did I see him boasting about it and saying that he is the best or anything.
Forsaken and Jingg are absolute dominators in the APAC region yet if you tune in to their stream they are the most soft-spoken people despite the talent they have.
Eneri from Alter Ego celeste also is quite humble despite her talent and she is a part of one of the best GC squads in the world.
Do you want to take examples of regions that are new? Take India for example, no Indian pro ever was boastful about how good he is and how they will beat every APAC team. All they used to say is that they are going in with confidence (and that is how attitude should be). Noxxy and the rest of Alter Ego team TBagged hard at GE. However, did it ever get this messy? Some kids sent DMs to Noxxy but GE managers and players all apologized for this and it was settled in a civil way.
The same is true for literally everyone else - Yay, Nats, cNeD, you name it.
Let's compare what ORDER did -
1) Maple does not appreciate the fact that they are playing in a new region and went on with his toxic behaviour in a different and much larger server.
2) WRONSKI trash-talking Boom and effectively calling them out as such huge pussies that they cancelled the scrim just because they beat them.
It's separate from being confident and it's different from being so delusional about the abilities that you LIE ABOUT SCRIM RESULTS in your streams. Then he also proceeds to lose the game.3) He even made a reply to my thread on VLR posting my honest opinion. Imagine being so down bad that you read and respond to VLR threads that might just be bait.
Compare this to what Boom coach did - He just plainly explained that he never lost to ORDER.
What does ORDER coach do? How does he even get the confidence to say something like this after loosing to a team with poor form and after their team has trash talked them so much.
I know as a fact that it is tough for the players of ORDER and the fans who had to wait almost 1 and a half years to see them play on an international stage but you just have to take responsibility for what you say. You cannot expect others to say nothing while you are the one doing the most trash-talk, especially as a young region.
I still do respect Texta, rDeeW and other ORDER members who have worked hard and their effort showed. WRONSKI is also talented (albeit young and inexperienced). However you just have to take this L for the time being.
Remember to not feed your egos too much next time.
W.
It was a meme after all, but became worse after Fl1p & Ollie tweet.
Too many Clueless people involved, make things worse.
Tamag0 [#71]W.
It was a meme after all, but became worse after Fl1p & Ollie tweet.
Too many Clueless people involved, make things worse.
Yeah that sign mouspad is so salty tweet. And then fl1p make it worse.
And voila, the clueless people is just bandwagon make their own version of drama lol.
Nezko_ [#68]its not just about what fl1pz said if you see wronskis twitter legit indos saying toxic slurs
I do not justify this behaviour but hear me out.
This happens every game.
Ever thought how teams from Nepal/Bangladesh/Sri Lanka/Pakistan feel when playing in South Asian tourneys?
I see kids spamming stuff related to momos in matches against Nepal.
I see kids spamming terrorists in matches against Pakistan.
In APAC I saw kids spamming FemBoys/Lady Boys in EG vs MiTH.
Indonesia/Phillipines/Thai kids are no different.
The world is not perfect and these stupid kids will always be there in every region. Its a professional hazard and a skill to ignore all of this and continue to improve.
I personally do not send out toxic comments/death threats to players. I also do not encourage fl1p's behaviour. But just because WRONSKI is getting hate does not mean he gets away with the mess he created (ofc to be discussed in a civil matter)
You can feel free to somehow complain about fl1p's behaviour to Riot. If I get time I will support you for sure and I bet a lot of sensible Indonesians here will do that too.
totneK_kaT_umkaM [#73]Yeah that sign mouspad is so salty tweet. And then fl1p make it worse.
And voila, the clueless people is just bandwagon make their own version of drama lol.
And voila, the clueless people is just bandwagon make their own version of drama lol.
TRUE AF LMFAO
damsi121 [#2]W
0/8 bait the world is on the verge of global depression and market collapse and your sunny outlook is not only disgusting but complicit (haha jk)
SnooTangerines [#55]Honestly, it would be great if a new region trying to incorporate into such a big and competitive region would not act as big douchebags.
Let's be honest we all love Cinderella stories, the underdog upsets, the dark horse runs. ORDER matched all those criteria. They had a good star player, and very talented support around them and they have been separated for a long time from APAC to have everyone root for them.
However, you genuinely cannot make such posts asking for sympathy when you ruined all of this for everyone.
It all starts with Maple starting to queue in the SEA servers. Within 2 days he is a menace to 50% of the high elo players on the Singapore server. I genuinely do not remember a player of such menace in any server. I have seen throwers, I have seen hackers but no one had such a shitty attitude. To top it all off, he is a pro player. Ofc any player who has ever played with him wished for his downfall in APAC. Same for any viewers of pro players/streamers that had him in their games.
Wronski is an extremely young player and has a long career ahead of him as the APAC region will only continue to grow but you just cannot be so boastful about you being so good.
Ever notice the difference between WRONSKI and people who actually did something in Valorant?TenZ won Iceland and never did I see him boasting about it and saying that he is the best or anything.
Forsaken and Jingg are absolute dominators in the APAC region yet if you tune in to their stream they are the most soft-spoken people despite the talent they have.
Eneri from Alter Ego celeste also is quite humble despite her talent and she is a part of one of the best GC squads in the world.
Do you want to take examples of regions that are new? Take India for example, no Indian pro ever was boastful about how good he is and how they will beat every APAC team. All they used to say is that they are going in with confidence (and that is how attitude should be). Noxxy and the rest of Alter Ego team TBagged hard at GE. However, did it ever get this messy? Some kids sent DMs to Noxxy but GE managers and players all apologized for this and it was settled in a civil way.
The same is true for literally everyone else - Yay, Nats, cNeD, you name it.
Let's compare what ORDER did -
1) Maple does not appreciate the fact that they are playing in a new region and went on with his toxic behaviour in a different and much larger server.
2) WRONSKI trash-talking Boom and effectively calling them out as such huge pussies that they cancelled the scrim just because they beat them.
It's separate from being confident and it's different from being so delusional about the abilities that you LIE ABOUT SCRIM RESULTS in your streams. Then he also proceeds to lose the game.3) He even made a reply to my thread on VLR posting my honest opinion. Imagine being so down bad that you read and respond to VLR threads that might just be bait.
Compare this to what Boom coach did - He just plainly explained that he never lost to ORDER.
What does ORDER coach do? How does he even get the confidence to say something like this after loosing to a team with poor form and after their team has trash talked them so much.
I know as a fact that it is tough for the players of ORDER and the fans who had to wait almost 1 and a half years to see them play on an international stage but you just have to take responsibility for what you say. You cannot expect others to say nothing while you are the one doing the most trash-talk, especially as a young region.
I still do respect Texta, rDeeW and other ORDER members who have worked hard and their effort showed. WRONSKI is also talented (albeit young and inexperienced). However you just have to take this L for the time being.
Remember to not feed your egos too much next time.
W
Last year JP never got out of groups and they are still respectful, always saying they will try harder. Be more like JP.
SnooTangerines [#55]Honestly, it would be great if a new region trying to incorporate into such a big and competitive region would not act as big douchebags.
Let's be honest we all love Cinderella stories, the underdog upsets, the dark horse runs. ORDER matched all those criteria. They had a good star player, and very talented support around them and they have been separated for a long time from APAC to have everyone root for them.
However, you genuinely cannot make such posts asking for sympathy when you ruined all of this for everyone.
It all starts with Maple starting to queue in the SEA servers. Within 2 days he is a menace to 50% of the high elo players on the Singapore server. I genuinely do not remember a player of such menace in any server. I have seen throwers, I have seen hackers but no one had such a shitty attitude. To top it all off, he is a pro player. Ofc any player who has ever played with him wished for his downfall in APAC. Same for any viewers of pro players/streamers that had him in their games.
Wronski is an extremely young player and has a long career ahead of him as the APAC region will only continue to grow but you just cannot be so boastful about you being so good.
Ever notice the difference between WRONSKI and people who actually did something in Valorant?TenZ won Iceland and never did I see him boasting about it and saying that he is the best or anything.
Forsaken and Jingg are absolute dominators in the APAC region yet if you tune in to their stream they are the most soft-spoken people despite the talent they have.
Eneri from Alter Ego celeste also is quite humble despite her talent and she is a part of one of the best GC squads in the world.
Do you want to take examples of regions that are new? Take India for example, no Indian pro ever was boastful about how good he is and how they will beat every APAC team. All they used to say is that they are going in with confidence (and that is how attitude should be). Noxxy and the rest of Alter Ego team TBagged hard at GE. However, did it ever get this messy? Some kids sent DMs to Noxxy but GE managers and players all apologized for this and it was settled in a civil way.
The same is true for literally everyone else - Yay, Nats, cNeD, you name it.
Let's compare what ORDER did -
1) Maple does not appreciate the fact that they are playing in a new region and went on with his toxic behaviour in a different and much larger server.
2) WRONSKI trash-talking Boom and effectively calling them out as such huge pussies that they cancelled the scrim just because they beat them.
It's separate from being confident and it's different from being so delusional about the abilities that you LIE ABOUT SCRIM RESULTS in your streams. Then he also proceeds to lose the game.3) He even made a reply to my thread on VLR posting my honest opinion. Imagine being so down bad that you read and respond to VLR threads that might just be bait.
Compare this to what Boom coach did - He just plainly explained that he never lost to ORDER.
What does ORDER coach do? How does he even get the confidence to say something like this after loosing to a team with poor form and after their team has trash talked them so much.
I know as a fact that it is tough for the players of ORDER and the fans who had to wait almost 1 and a half years to see them play on an international stage but you just have to take responsibility for what you say. You cannot expect others to say nothing while you are the one doing the most trash-talk, especially as a young region.
I still do respect Texta, rDeeW and other ORDER members who have worked hard and their effort showed. WRONSKI is also talented (albeit young and inexperienced). However you just have to take this L for the time being.
Remember to not feed your egos too much next time.
Maple's not toxic at all. he's just a troller XD, Shouldn't have brought that to APAC Challengers ngl cos he doesn't know the players personally. i guarantee he's trolling
Edit:: I know it's pretty disrespectful to be behaving like that, but Maples a really nice person, and I hate to see his figure being smeared on this site. I'm know it's light-hearted, despite that he was disrespectful.
TS_ChedZ [#79]Maple's not toxic at all. he's just a troller XD, Shouldn't have brought that to APAC Challengers ngl cos he doesn't know the players personally. i guarantee he's trolling
Edit:: I know it's pretty disrespectful to be behaving like that, but Maples a really nice person, and I hate to see his figure being smeared on this site. I'm know it's light-hearted, despite that he was disrespectful.
that's pretty disrespectful bruh. fucking around in a foreign region where you are essentially invited as a guest shows you have the maturity and professionalism of a 10 year old.
TS_ChedZ [#79]Maple's not toxic at all. he's just a troller XD, Shouldn't have brought that to APAC Challengers ngl cos he doesn't know the players personally. i guarantee he's trolling
Edit:: I know it's pretty disrespectful to be behaving like that, but Maples a really nice person, and I hate to see his figure being smeared on this site. I'm know it's light-hearted, despite that he was disrespectful.
Imagine going to a foreign country/Imagine being a transfer student to a new school/Imagine being a guest at a party.
You behave like maple.
You demand respect.
I should not have to say anything else to prove my point.
Or maybe Aussies are just the most awkward people around which I would not want to believe.
TS_ChedZ [#79]Maple's not toxic at all. he's just a troller XD, Shouldn't have brought that to APAC Challengers ngl cos he doesn't know the players personally. i guarantee he's trolling
Edit:: I know it's pretty disrespectful to be behaving like that, but Maples a really nice person, and I hate to see his figure being smeared on this site. I'm know it's light-hearted, despite that he was disrespectful.
If you think he's troll and not toxic.
What gives you the right to JUDGE us as toxic and hating your region?
We're just making copypasta (which obviously more like a troll than what maple do, duh...)
SnooTangerines [#74]I do not justify this behaviour but hear me out.
This happens every game.
Ever thought how teams from Nepal/Bangladesh/Sri Lanka/Pakistan feel when playing in South Asian tourneys?
I see kids spamming stuff related to momos in matches against Nepal.
I see kids spamming terrorists in matches against Pakistan.
In APAC I saw kids spamming FemBoys/Lady Boys in EG vs MiTH.
Indonesia/Phillipines/Thai kids are no different.
The world is not perfect and these stupid kids will always be there in every region. Its a professional hazard and a skill to ignore all of this and continue to improve.
I personally do not send out toxic comments/death threats to players. I also do not encourage fl1p's behaviour. But just because WRONSKI is getting hate does not mean he gets away with the mess he created (ofc to be discussed in a civil matter)
You can feel free to somehow complain about fl1p's behaviour to Riot. If I get time I will support you for sure and I bet a lot of sensible Indonesians here will do that too.
based
Nezko_ [#83]based
Sorry Nezko. If you weren’t busy sucking OCEs dick maybe you would realize that both sides are wrong
Slashyiguess [#77]Bros trying to unite apac while the playoffs is ongoing 😂
every single apac fans know the only time we "unite" is when we finally have our 2 teams that would represent us, we still don't have those 2 teams so let's keep the hate going
At this point I don't know about APAC.
But for sure SEA people will understand that we will trash talk each other before our representative is decided and then smiling and hugging each other while whispering
Fuck you
zen-o [#84]Sorry Nezko. If you weren’t busy sucking OCEs dick maybe you would realize that both sides are wrong
https://www.vlr.gg/109770/im-disappointed / #34
lmao you also may search for any oce post on my profile you wont find i just felt what was said to wronski wasnt deserved even though both parties are wrong never said oce wasnt wrong as mentioned in my post he deserved the banter and everything but not toxic slurs .
TS_ChedZ [#79]Maple's not toxic at all. he's just a troller XD, Shouldn't have brought that to APAC Challengers ngl cos he doesn't know the players personally. i guarantee he's trolling
Edit:: I know it's pretty disrespectful to be behaving like that, but Maples a really nice person, and I hate to see his figure being smeared on this site. I'm know it's light-hearted, despite that he was disrespectful.
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Slashyiguess [#77]Bros trying to unite apac while the playoffs is ongoing 😂
every single apac fans know the only time we "unite" is when we finally have our 2 teams that would represent us, we still don't have those 2 teams so let's keep the hate going
will apac still unite when franchising occurs?
thatpower [#88]will apac still unite when franchising occurs?
im not watching valorant anymore when the franchising starts lmao
who_cars [#51]Miles behind .... In terms of what ?
esport culture
fps LAN wins
etc etc
in many APAC regions ppl get enough support to grow and perform effectively
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