NA >> EU | VLR.gg

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Lets be honest this debate has been going on for way too long and as of right now NA is better then EU. Europe had 3 slots at masters and failed to break the top 4. Ofc NA won masters. Now with teams like EG, Ghost, and 100t all arising in NA i think its safe to say like always : 1 the same EU teams will be there again (Liquid, Acend, Fnatic ext..) and with new talent i think NA will be the new Valorant powerhouse.

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Anyone who thinks EU is still a Tier 1 region is delusional

NA's only challenge for this Masters is APAC

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apac best achievement was 4th
bronzil made finals stay mad kid

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F0rsaken wipes scream bozo

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f0rsaken is inconsistent and has been mid fragging for a while. whereas jingg is wiping the floor.

first top frag as duelist then talk to scream

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Forsaken > scream

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read then speak please

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Doesn't change the fact

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Ignore him, what you expect from number 1 scream fan? XD

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NGL, i was writing an article on the most consistent player in APAC and there was nothing nice i could say about f0rsaken. Had a ACS map chart that was all over the place. when watching vods it was more that the enemy team was hard countering f0rsaken. but also has some inconsistencies. F0rsaken is a great player, but with age comes consistency and f0rsaken is 18!

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ok nerd

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really?

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babysasuke

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nah im kidding, big ups to you

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lmao

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he is wildly inconsistent but very flashy. most vlr users only notice the flashy.

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still one of the greatest players to ever touch the game on the planet though

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currently false. but I wouldn't be surprised if it became true.

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you can't be so quick to count out a top 10 APAC player, even with inconsistent ACS.

continue thread →

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APAC got 3rd. Nuturn at Reykjavik 2021.
APAC also got 3rd this Masters. ZETA.

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number1_ScreaM_fan

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pretty sure some ppl downfragged me after i said KR and JPN were APAC

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It's a bit iffy as they all have their own circuits, but they all participate in APAC LCQ.
You could rename the APAC circuit to SEA, but OCE is in there too.
The server region of APAC is SEA+OCE+JP though, which seems to be the fairest method of definition imo.

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Scream is literally the most consistent player in all of vct, can’t believe ppl disagree with that.

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Consistently overrated, consistently losing

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Wait Hear me out
I think APAC refers to Sea oce and Sa
Because the LCQ with all asian regions was called Asia LCQ (not sure)
This time they call it APAC N & APAC S

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They call you guys east asia now

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fnatic is not apac btw

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babysasuke

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Yeah I know fnatic sucks

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Yes they lost 0 games
Optic soo good lost 1 against eg

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Yep because losing a game in groups in the regional quals before playoffs even start really means a lot

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Kiklop

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I'm just saying that fnc doesn't suck

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most sane faze fan

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NEW DOWNVOTE RECORD?

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swf

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yeah coming back to this after copenhagen, please keep this same energy

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True but its a bit of a question mark as we would never know how fnatic or fpx wouldve done in masters.

but as of now till masters 2 Na>EU

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agreed unlucky fpx couldnt make it, but not sure we can say they would of changed the winner

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ok bro ill come back here after copenhagen

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the last legitimate tourney was champs and NA didn't make top 4 ,2 teams got knocked out in groups and the same wil happen at this masters

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The best tourneys was masters 3 in 2021 and masters 1 2022, champs and masters 2 were fucking boring

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williamm

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Masters 3 Berlin was hype
Champs was decent

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Champs was fun bc of KRU upset almost beating Gambit(M3C)

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decort

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were talking about currently. Last major tourney was iceland, and NA took home the trophy, again.

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so you completely disregard champs, how braindead are you bro?

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zMaternal

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eu is asleep when they wake up you're gonna get slaughtered lol

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As a NA player EMEA looks a bit stronger but i would not trash talk rn.
If we win copenhagen then we can shit on EMEA all we want but until then I rather keep my mouth quiet.

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even NA admits it
any other proofs needed?

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Larry

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EMEA is stronger. I think if certain teams that qualified were allowed to bring their actual roster it would have been different. Don’t know why people think if one team wins an event that makes them the best region. It’s like people saying “oh Cloud9 won an event they are the best team in the world.” You gotta win multiple events in a row to get the #1 ranking.

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EU is a 1 team region, with an IGL that has the same strats as the 12 year olds in your silver lobbies

stay mad EU bozo cry after masters

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??????

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Larry

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EMEA is a bit stronger? Dude EMEA is a lot stronger imo. The amount of competitive teams in Europe vs NA aren’t even close. NA has shown two teams that are consistent. Optic is the only one that I’m impressed by. EU has at least 7 teams that can win an event. I’m not trying to take away what Optic won but I think the event would have been different if more than just one team could bring their full roster. If Gambit qualified they wouldn’t even been able to come lol.

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of course NA is better than EU atm, the last winner is NA

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just a question if something like FPX and Fnatic wouldve happpened with Optic , NA wouldnt have won a single match (Yeah im talking about GUARD) so why y'all rating EU bcuz of just 1 full team that was G2 ?!

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good take

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yeah and G2 fluked their way into there anyways, they barely had made it out of groups

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Larry

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Someone with a brain. NA wins one event and they all think they are the best region. We have to win multiple events in a row to be able to claim that. The fact that EU only were allowed to bring one full roster explains enough. EU region as a whole has better and more competitive teams where NA has only two realistically.

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win more Champions than EU then we can talk

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Acend > optic sadly

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sadly optic > every team in the world

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Eg exists

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Valgod

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Team that has never won againt emea?

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Revlo

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OpTic is so much better this year than last year.
NV vs gambit only had yay for one month, no team synergy yet.
NV vs Acend Victor had covid, wasn't in form.
Marved and victor are so much better this year then last year, crashies was considered our 2nd best player last year now he's around 3rd/4th.
Also FNS new strats this year are gigabrain.
EMEA will get exposed next time any of them go against OpTic.

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sad you are giving all these excuses now and when EU people say their teams were not in the best form you just laugh it off. What is this hypocrisy

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Because EU is never in the best form KEKW

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We won Champions 2021 and Berlin 2021.

My guy is trolling lol

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Hypocrisy what a word
Now i learned.
It s hard for me to forget since you used it about Americans.

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facts that bringing new talent internationally will bring advantage to NA and make it more interesting tho

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Will be back here after Masters 2 when Fnatic or FPX will wipe the floor with NA

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Yay > Derke
Victor = alfajer
Marved >>>>>>> Mistic
Crashies > Fearoth
FNS > Boaster

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Glaciate05

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First off, I think Marved and Crashies ARE better than Mistic and Fearoth, Marved is so good.

I can understand the FNS pick, but we simply do not know who is better if we are being honest. IGL value is hard to quantify. Mechanically they're both not the best.

The rest is statistically and objectively incorrect. Yay lacks the versality of Derke and peak levels of play, although he is more consistent. Victor is worse, straight up. Don't get me wrong though Yay is a monster don't get me wrong, but Derke killed it being top 3 at every masters he has been to statistically.

Either way Envy and Fnatic have been my favourite teams in both regions since day 1, will be rooting for them both in Challengers.

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Ok honestly I think Yay matches up exactly to Derke except he's even more consistent. Maybe his peaks are a little lower, but he's literally never had a slump, and always steps up when his team needs him.

I do agree about Victor, he's definitely not as good as Alfa online, although I'm interested to see how Alfa will do in his first LAN. He's a NUTTY player tho.

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I did say Yay was more consistent we pre much fully agree

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Phrased it wrong sorry, my point is I think they bring equal levels of value to their teams so Yay = Derke. Obviously the whole concept of rating teams based on their individual players is stupid because the teamplay matters more. I'd say if Fnatic maintain their current form they beat Optic, but they've burned people in playoffs before soooo

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yeah 100%, I am very nervous, plus it is Alfajer's first LAN...

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deathlyclaws

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Heyy Son wake up I have found another braindead take on vlr

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EU has the only champions right now.
Masters is nothing but a qualifier to champions.
Stay mad NA streamer region kekw.
GUILD > OPTIC.

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Revlo

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acend fluke win. Victor had covid, he wasnt in prime form, neither was marved. We are ten times better now.

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patuj

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OpTic didn't even make it past groups lmao

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victor had covid.
Also Marved and victor form are so much better this year that crashies was considered our 2nd best player last year, now he's around 3rd/4th

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with covid: envy 1-2 xerxia
without covid: optic 0-2 xerxia

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Revlo

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opTic always starts out slow I gave them the benefit of the doubt and they smacked xerxia in the rematch, but your a fraud who doesn't know shit about val so.

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kristof

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rematch was a fluke
and masters 1 is worthless anyway soo

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13-9
13-6
pretty convincing win to me. But your a dumbass from a dogshit region so.

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kristof

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xerxia would win 99 out of 100 times
Liquid game drained them out sadly

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Considering Surf had his second ever tournament and was playing professionally for the first time and had maybe 3 months of experience prior to Masters, Xerxia did insanely well.

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optic > emea > na

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fnatic and fpx can both go 26-0 against any NA team

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Fnatic and Fpx are TSM tier at best.

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FOKUS>>>>>>>>>>>>>TSM

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SEN >>> FNATIC KEKW

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0-4 btw got clowned by Faze

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and u still lost to them lmao. FaZe beat SEN who beat the "best team in EMEA" wow thanks for making me realize the depth of NA is so deeper than EMEA kekw.

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When it's 2022 and you still stuck in 2021

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yep true. EMEA still bringing up NV vs gambit when YAY just joined kekw dumbass.

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And yay joined and lost to X10

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Revlo

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when victor had covid. You making fun off his condition at champs you clown?

continue thread →

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It's OK enjoy that time when na owns trophy

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EMEA is too arrogant to realize NA shits on their fraud region.

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Let Optic win a map against an EU team first 💀
Fucking 1 team region lol

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victor had covid and he said it greatly affected him. Damn imagine shitting on a guy with a life threatening virus. EMEA shitters going to a new low.

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Bruh u are a walking L at this point....u make excuses for Victor having Covid and then talk about NIP and ZETA when Derke was out cz of COVID. NA brain Lmao.... only excuses from 1 team clown region

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Im using EMEA hypocrisy against them. you're dumb as fuck.

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also you got exposed by NIP and ZETA stfu shitter.

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thankfully Derke had covid also and if Braveaf was there you would still make those excuses after optic would have gone out in playoffs

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Marved said they exposed every EMEA team in scrims. So the results wouldn't have changed either way.

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Who cares about scrims result?

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Its just a little somethin to show how shite EMEA is compared to NA.

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Where we can see the scrim result in valorant official matches history?

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Gets downfragged in every single comment lmao........ Just stop replying

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M0K1

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why would they scrim with players that won't be able to play lmao

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Just saying,

M3C shit on OpTic in scrims

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If M3C plays like their BIG game against liquid I'll be so sad. It was tragic, and I'm really rooting for them to get better again!

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Dokka

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Me too man, me too

They are practicing 11 hours a day though so I have hope

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This leads nowhere

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Yea this convo is useless

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Too much hopium

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fnatic/FPX > any NA team

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Fnatic > FPX > All NA groups = Guild > every other EU team

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Marking this thread, dont mind me

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EU has 7 competitive teams that can all win where NA has 1 lol. Just because a team from a region wins an event doesn’t mean they are the best. Gotta win multiple in a row. It’s not like if Brazil won we would be saying the same thing either lol.

As someone from NA the delusional NA fanbase always makes a good time.

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So does that mean that, that 7 competitive teams from eu got rekt by apac, br, jp? Lmao flawed argument
Also fake flagger lul

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So, are we cheese under the patty or over the patty type of guys. Or no cheese, which is respectable. I like it over the top.

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I respect the commitment to the RISE badge, most of the players have gone to good teams but not all. RIP ;-;

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If you think any of these asian teams get even a map against fnatic then you are delusional. And at least watch some thing before saying the top teams are liquid and acend, fpx and Fnc are the best and i agree the rest of eu is weak atm but still these 2 teams enough to beat the optic who won just coz EMEA wasn't there

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hahaha they were so confident

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From milk to bad yogurt to awful cheese

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EU teams are good, but their fan base needs to die a slow death

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not everyone is toxic brotha. same can be said for any region

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surely not the 100T flair assuming all eu fans are toxic

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eat my ass chump

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says Murican with the most toxic fan base ever :D COD, LOL, Valorant, Halo :D you are the biggest problem in each game with toxicity even your pro are toxic :D thats why you suck in each game :P

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EMEA has the most international titles, end of the debate

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NA still better, FPX fluke anti-strat abusers with no idea on how to win, only stop other teams from winnings

pretty cringe honestly, enjoy last EMEA trophy for the next 5 years zzzzz

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anti strat abusers 💀 💀 💀 💀

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Both gonna get destroyed by EDG anyways

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Where is Revlo now???

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Where do this idiots come from it has been proven again and again that every time emea vs na happens na shits everytime.

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Fluke wins every time, NA still better